From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Multiple major modes Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 02:21:05 +0900 Message-ID: <87vecwuo3i.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1183828186 15724 80.91.229.12 (7 Jul 2007 17:09:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 17:09:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 07 19:09:44 2007 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1I7Dmy-0003bw-0D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:09:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I7Dmx-0005UL-Eq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 13:09:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I7Dmt-0005Sw-So for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 13:09:39 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I7Dmt-0005SJ-9q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 13:09:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I7Dmt-0005SB-6o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 13:09:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1I7Dms-0004cL-55; Sat, 07 Jul 2007 13:09:38 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (unknown [130.158.99.156]) by mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D6808004; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 02:09:36 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2909A1A2968; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 02:21:06 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" (+CVS-20070621) XEmacs Lucid X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:74446 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > Perhaps it also depends on how one debugs? I tend not to use > edebug; I use `debug-on-entry' and `(debug)'. Advice bothers me > during debugging because the steps followed include a lot of > advice stuff that muddies the waters, for me. > That is also how I do debugging. Which suggests adding a feature to the debugger (or to advice) to skip over advice when debugging. (This is a "by the way2 suggestion to improve debugging in the presence of advice one happens to encounter, not intended as an argument that "advice is OK".) No, I don't have time (or sufficient knowledge of the debugger and advice, for that matter) to do it. :-(