From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com>
Cc: Geoff Gole <geoffgole@gmail.com>,
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Idempotency of add-hook wrt lambda expressions
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 10:27:28 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87vdqo92tb.fsf@xemacs.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <74F2CF19-2E71-473F-A352-A628B3B29A8E@gmail.com>
David Reitter writes:
> On 4 Mar 2009, at 09:18, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>
> > As a general rule, you should not put a lambda but a function name
> > (i.e. a symbol) instead, to avoid all those problems (and be able to
> > replace the function with a newer version of it). But occasionally
> > a lambda is really exactly what you want, of course.
> People haven't adopted this, and this is pretty annoying.
>
> A similar case are commands bound to menu items (or any other keys): C-
> h k does not bring up something useful for keys that are just bound to
> a lambda term.
>
> As for hooks, is a lambda expression ever suitable to be added to a
> hook?
> Would it make sense to change add-hook such that only true function
> names are allowed?
In all these cases the problem that you consistently run into is that
Emacs Lisp doesn't have namespaces/packages. It's very common to want
to make a small tweak to a command's default arguments when it's used
as a hook or menu item, and adding more symbols for that just feels
wrong. Not to mention getting in the way of completion.
lambdas may have docstrings, and probably things like C-h k would find
them if provided. Hm, easy enough to check:
(define-key global-map [(control c) z]
(lambda () "Found doc!" (interactive) (message "yowza")))
C-h k C-c z ==>
C-c z runs (lambda nil Found doc! (interactive) (message yowza))
Found doc!
So the obvious workaround is to report a bug if a lambda in a menu
item doesn't have a docstring. Maybe there should be a describe-hook
help function that returns a buffer like
----------------------------------------------------------------
foo-hook runs, in this order:
1. default-foo-hook-function
Drink foo in bar.
2. (lambda ...)
Call auxiliary-foo-hook-function with argument "hair of dog".
----------------------------------------------------------------
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-03-05 1:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-03-04 12:10 Idempotency of add-hook wrt lambda expressions Geoff Gole
2009-03-04 14:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-03-04 20:13 ` xah lee
2009-03-04 21:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-03-04 21:27 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-03-05 17:22 ` M Jared Finder
2009-03-04 21:00 ` David Reitter
2009-03-05 1:27 ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2009-03-05 1:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-03-05 8:23 ` Geoff Gole
2009-03-05 9:49 ` David Kastrup
2009-03-05 11:41 ` tomas
2009-03-05 11:53 ` Geoff Gole
2009-03-05 16:45 ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-03-05 16:33 ` Helmut Eller
2009-03-05 16:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-03-05 16:50 ` Geoff Gole
2009-03-05 16:38 ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-03-05 20:44 ` Reiner Steib
2009-03-05 20:59 ` Edward O'Connor
2009-03-05 21:08 ` Reiner Steib
2009-03-06 9:36 ` David Kastrup
2009-03-05 16:12 ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-03-05 16:37 ` Stefan Monnier
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