From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX. Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:14:11 -0500 Message-ID: <87vdd1yqe4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: <87ocitw2dl.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <201003130001.o2D01FFQ003489@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1268442911 14551 80.91.229.12 (13 Mar 2010 01:15:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 01:15:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: James Cloos , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dan Nicolaescu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 13 02:15:03 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NqFwU-0002Dc-0W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 02:15:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47766 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NqFwT-0005b6-9X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:15:01 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NqFvk-0005Af-DE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:14:16 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=50310 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NqFvi-00059d-UX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:14:16 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NqFvh-0001YZ-66 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:14:14 -0500 Original-Received: from pantheon-po25.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.119]:49319) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NqFvh-0001YM-3X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:14:13 -0500 Original-Received: from furry (dhcp128036014175.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.175]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po25.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o2D1EBeY012004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:14:11 -0500 Original-Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E8331C011; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:14:11 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <201003130001.o2D01FFQ003489@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> (Dan Nicolaescu's message of "Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:01:15 -0800 (PST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:121880 Archived-At: Dan Nicolaescu writes: > > I'm familiar with the advantages, but this battle was fought long ago. > > Every graphical user interface created in the last X years puts the > > scroll bar on the right. > > I don't think that can be used as an argument. If it could, then > delete-selection-mode would be the default too, that's what everything > on the desktop does... Compatibility with other apps is a valid argument, just not an absolute rule. What we could do, though, is to put non-toolkit scrollbars on the left and toolkit scrollbars on the right. If that's an acceptable compromise, I'll implement it. > > Try naming one other application on a modern > > GNU/Linux desktop that does the opposite by default---they don't exist. > > xterm AKA the only terminal that actually works. (The key word is "modern"; and personally, I use xterm with the scrollbar disabled.)