From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New build process? Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:24:29 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87vcuo4woy.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <20110726184220.GA6390@acm.acm> <87bowg6fre.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1311711899 22296 80.91.229.12 (26 Jul 2011 20:24:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:24:59 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 26 22:24:55 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QloBT-0006jd-0E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:24:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58913 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QloBS-0008NV-6I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:24:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:45338) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QloBP-0008NF-3t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:24:51 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QloBH-0004fm-93 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:24:51 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:57581) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QloBG-0004fG-3m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:24:42 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QloBE-0006eY-Fk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:24:40 +0200 Original-Received: from p508ec14f.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.142.193.79]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:24:40 +0200 Original-Received: from dak by p508ec14f.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:24:40 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 40 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p508ec14f.dip.t-dialin.net X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:aMNWwMAc42x1Ib4iD3Bs6se5gv8= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:142322 Archived-At: David Reitter writes: > On Jul 26, 2011, at 2:47 PM, David Kastrup wrote: >>> >>> I don't seem to be able to find instructions about this, and I haven't >>> found anything relevant and recent in the emacs-devel archive. Help, >>> please! >> >> INSTALL.BZR > > Suggest changing the name of this file. Not everybody gets the source > code via Bazaar. When these inconvenient changes happened, I got > caught out like Alan Mackenzie, since I wouldn't think of reading this > file. > > Better yet, include a configure script that calls autogen.sh and then > runs itself. If people consider this an inconvenience w.r.t. the > version control tool, then perhaps autogen.sh could generate > configure.local instead. > > As others have said here, people expect to be able to do ./configure; > make install. "people" get a tarball, and then this works perfectly fine and is usually described in INSTALL. When working from a version control system, it is the rule rather than the exception that generated files _including_ ./configure are _not_ checked into the version control system, and that there is a separate INSTALL.CVS file or similar. The "usual way" for installing from a tarball is "./configure && make install", and the "usual way" for installing from a version control system checkout is "./autogen.sh && ./configure && make install". It is an unreasonable expectation that ./configure is checked into the version control system if it is a generated file and not source code. It has been this way for a long time in the Emacs source tree, and has been a source for trouble for a long time. And obviously it has lead to bad expectations as well. -- David Kastrup