From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nix Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CL package serious deficiencies Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:10:06 +0000 Message-ID: <87vcnibb9t.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> References: <33271707.post@talk.nabble.com> <87fwemcwlx.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <87zkcubbfc.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1328649022 25411 80.91.229.3 (7 Feb 2012 21:10:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 21:10:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: egnarts-ms , Stefan Monnier , Drew Adams , Emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 07 22:10:21 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RusIu-0006LB-9W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 22:10:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36057 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RusIt-0000Dp-Q0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:10:19 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:55087) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RusIn-0000DO-9Z for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:10:17 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RusIj-00051j-67 for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:10:13 -0500 Original-Received: from icebox.esperi.org.uk ([81.187.191.129]:38954 helo=mail.esperi.org.uk) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RusIi-00051G-T7 for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:10:09 -0500 Original-Received: from esperi.org.uk (nix@spindle.srvr.nix [192.168.14.15]) by mail.esperi.org.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q17LA65F000590; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 21:10:06 GMT Original-Received: (from nix@localhost) by esperi.org.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q17LA6ui022472; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 21:10:06 GMT Emacs: a real time environment for simulating molasses-based life forms. In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:08:41 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.93 (gnu/linux) X-DCC-URT-Metrics: spindle 1060; Body=5 Fuz1=5 Fuz2=5 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 81.187.191.129 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:148317 Archived-At: On 7 Feb 2012, Lennart Borgman told this: > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 22:06, Nix wrote: >> On 7 Feb 2012, Lennart Borgman verbalised: >> >>> There are things that do not work if you include cl.el at run time. >>> You may not notice the problems and tracking it down has been quite >>> difficult some times. >> >> If so, these are either bugs in cl.el, or bugs in the conflicting >> packages, and should surely be fixed, rather than simply trying to avoid >> using cl. > > Fixing the bugs would be better yes. Anyone interested can do that. Well, if you find out what the problems are, I'll see about fixing them. > But no one has said that cl.el should not be used. I have not seen any > problems when the instructions for its use are followed. Since those instructions amount to 'don't use it except at compile- time', this is not incredibly surprising. -- NULL && (void)