From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tabs are ready? -> Let us give a definition of tabs. Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:06:31 +0900 Message-ID: <87vcnbe07s.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <4F2E5D33.6020406@gmx.at> <4F2E8185.4080706@gmx.at> <4F2EC768.4050603@gmx.at> <4F2FAD31.9040702@gmx.at> <877h00yq7z.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <871uq7zw5c.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k43t1mm7.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1329113215 11256 80.91.229.3 (13 Feb 2012 06:06:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:06:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juri Linkov , martin rudalics , PJ Weisberg , Alin Soare , Emacs Dev To: Nix Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 13 07:06:54 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rwp3s-0000Zw-7c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 07:06:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45467 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rwp3r-0003kv-Ce for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 01:06:51 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:36737) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rwp3o-0003kZ-4X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 01:06:48 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rwp3m-0000Tu-Jb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 01:06:48 -0500 Original-Received: from mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:53155) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rwp3m-0000Sw-2R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 01:06:46 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 259FC9707D5; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:06:32 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E358E1A2811; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:06:31 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <87k43t1mm7.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta31) "ginger" e6b5c49f9e13 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 130.158.97.224 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:148537 Archived-At: Nix writes: > (The problem is simple: if a buffer and its frame *both* declare a > variable to be 'local', which takes precedence? There is probably > code that depends on *each* taking precedence, so any answer will > be wrong.) I've not seen complaints about this in re: XEmacs specifiers where the default precedence is window beats buffer beats frame beats global beats baked-in-code-fallback. (Of course that may be because people who need a different precedence use the DOMAIN parameter to `specifier-instance' -- but AFAIK only Ben Wing and I know that it exists. *You* might, but who else would? :-) ISTM, that the question arises in Emacs because the *-local variables never had a different API from ordinary variable reference, so everybody just assumed it would DTRT for them. I suspect that because of the history of experience with specifiers, XEmacs could arrange for variables with specifier values to be magic, ie, dereferenced via specifier-instance (with no DOMAIN parameter specified), and no XEmacs users would be confused. WDYT?