From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Albinus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: patch vs. overwrite in bzr Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 08:46:41 +0200 Message-ID: <87vclg804u.fsf@gmx.de> References: <87k42cwys8.fsf@gnu.org> <87limhuldm.fsf@gnu.org> <871uo7g4j6.fsf@gnu.org> <87iphjhbm8.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87398lgrat.fsf_-_@niu.edu> <871uo5c7r0.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87pqbpj5j3.fsf@altern.org> <87aa2szgig.fsf@gnu.org> <87ehs4yrhz.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1333522025 12208 80.91.229.3 (4 Apr 2012 06:47:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 06:47:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Bastien Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 04 08:47:03 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SFJzg-0004O5-7L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 08:47:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32829 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFJzf-00032e-1N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 02:46:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58203) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFJzZ-00032W-63 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 02:46:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFJzS-0003jp-3R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 02:46:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.23]:60496) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFJzR-0003jX-PU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 02:46:46 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 04 Apr 2012 06:46:43 -0000 Original-Received: from p57BB977A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO detlef.gmx.de) [87.187.151.122] by mail.gmx.net (mp035) with SMTP; 04 Apr 2012 08:46:43 +0200 X-Authenticated: #3708877 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18vUzYZjpwvuys9aoAjZo8DjOsBpb5RqLI9GAxS+O wV+tbv1+OdEHVd In-Reply-To: <87ehs4yrhz.fsf@gnu.org> (Bastien's message of "Wed, 04 Apr 2012 07:51:04 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.94 (gnu/linux) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 213.165.64.23 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:149365 Archived-At: Bastien writes: >> I may have replied elsewhere. The way I see it, Org should be taken out >> of `trunk' and instead the Emacs release should include a set of ELPA >> packages (including Org). > > IMHO this move would just send a signal to Emacs devs "do not try to > fix this, it's just an ELPA package" -- which does not so good to me. I share the same fear that a package residing in the elpa branch could be regarded as second class citizen. OTOH, being an elpa package would require from us (external) package maintainers shorter freeze windows, before a new Emacs release is shipped. New Tramp features are stalled from being synced since June. A similar freeze period was before releasing Emacs 23. And in the Emacs 22 case, the freeze was for about 3 years, if I'm not totally wrong. But maybe I'm just a too pedantic German, following every freeze policy ... Best regards, Michael.