From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sam Steingold Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:57:03 -0400 Organization: disorganization Message-ID: <87vc82unsw.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87ehf1cwc4.fsf@maru.md5i.com> <20130331220136.GA16863@saturn> <83ip44iw3b.fsf@gnu.org> <83mwtef9f5.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: sds@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1365101851 31682 80.91.229.3 (4 Apr 2013 18:57:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 18:57:31 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 04 20:57:59 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UNpMF-0006lN-92 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 20:57:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58539 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNpLq-0008O1-EF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:57:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40391) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNpLj-0008Nv-H9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:57:32 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNpLX-0000N3-LU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:57:27 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:33909) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNpLX-0000Mq-EU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 14:57:15 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UNpLu-0006Ry-23 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 20:57:38 +0200 Original-Received: from 74.113.160.197 ([74.113.160.197]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 20:57:38 +0200 Original-Received: from sds by 74.113.160.197 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 20:57:38 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 36 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 74.113.160.197 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-Attribution: Sam X-Disclaimer: You should not expect anyone to agree with me. Cancel-Lock: sha1:tETHI21TBGRtJZurdZwO1nez9eE= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:158656 Archived-At: > * Eli Zaretskii [2013-04-04 21:16:46 +0300]: > >> From: John Wiegley >> Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:44:43 -0500 >> >> As a data point: if Emacs does decide on Git, I'll become a more active >> contributor again; if it doesn't, I have other things to do. Bzr/Mercurial is >> enough of a "joy-stealing" barrier that -- like now -- I would not be >> interested in submitting my work upstream. And this same situation is true >> for some others as well, as evidenced by voices on this mailing list. > > I'm very sad to hear that, because I think it is improper for > contributors to put up such an ultimatum for a project. This is not an ultimatum, at least it does not look like that to me. > I hope that people who contribute to Emacs (and any other project) are > first and foremost interested in advancing the project, and any other > considerations are secondary. This is a very simplistic view, IMHO. Many people contribute because they have a personal itch to scratch. If scratching the itch involves an "unpleasant experience" (struggling with an unfamiliar VCS, paperwork - you name it), some people would forego the scratching. Many people contribute to several projects and have to balance their time between them, and if contributing to one project is unpleasant for some reason, they may dedicate less of their time to it. -- Sam Steingold (http://sds.podval.org/) on Ubuntu 12.04 (precise) X 11.0.11300000 http://www.childpsy.net/ http://openvotingconsortium.org http://pmw.org.il http://palestinefacts.org http://honestreporting.com Only adults have difficulty with child-proof caps.