From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Changes in revision 114466 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 17:29:53 +0900 Message-ID: <87vc1hqtq6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <831u49fkxk.fsf@gnu.org> <83pprse4mf.fsf@gnu.org> <87r4c5egfj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87ob79ed1l.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1380616216 15320 80.91.229.3 (1 Oct 2013 08:30:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 08:30:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 01 10:30:16 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VQvLT-00066X-EZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2013 10:30:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53370 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VQvLS-0007Lc-UW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2013 04:30:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47757) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VQvLI-0007I5-GA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2013 04:30:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VQvLB-0006Lx-67 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2013 04:30:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:42455) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VQvLA-0006LS-Rk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2013 04:29:57 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B8F9709B4; Tue, 1 Oct 2013 17:29:54 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0DDF91205A7; Tue, 1 Oct 2013 17:29:54 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" 182d01410b8d XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.224 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:163767 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: >>> But users are not necessarily aware of [info-lookup-symbol]. >> >> Isn't that what should be fixed, then? > > 1) How? Bind C-h f and C-h v (which pretty much everybody knows and uses, I guess) to a command that offers a menu of ways to get help on a symbol (as a variable vs. as a function, docstring vs. manual). Put it under control of the old-and-cranky library (an as-yet-nonexistent novice- like module that puts the traditional binding back when the user invokes the command M-x im-old-and-cranky-so-put-the-binding-back). > 2) It's still good to provide a visual cue that a given term > is in the manual. *Everything* "should" be in the manual. It shouldn't be possible to find a place to click in a help buffer that doesn't find offer useful new information, IMHO. Yes, I acknowledge that both "everything in the manual" and "no place left to click" are hard tasks. ;-) But shouldn't that be our goal? > Maybe use that for any link (e.g. source file target) that leaves > *Help*? As long as you stay in Emacs, why would one care? C-x b *Help* RET is hardly onerous, and if it is inconvenient, we could provide a global C-h binding for "help-back-to-last-help". > Doing it automatically is no doubt easier, not harder, than doing it > using judgment case by case. In that case, the prosecution rests. :-)