From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2014 15:07:07 +0100 Message-ID: <87vbvshh84.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <87ppmatkpe.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87wqgfsxsr.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87wqgf37n4.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87ha7gshu9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <871tyko9l5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87eh2ks897.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fvn0mk25.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87bnxorlol.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <877g8bmxal.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <877g8asfl0.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <8738iyjrl3.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87mwh5ridq.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87wqg9hn10.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <878uspaku2.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87k3c9hflv.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8738ixacdc.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87a9d5i5mb.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1394028440 26155 80.91.229.3 (5 Mar 2014 14:07:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 14:07:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs developers To: John Yates Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 05 15:07:28 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WLCTl-0001WM-Ih for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2014 15:07:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52426 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WLCTl-0000Kf-3n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2014 09:07:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51865) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WLCTg-0000KP-Bn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2014 09:07:21 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WLCTZ-0006nY-VZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2014 09:07:20 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:39546) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WLCTZ-0006nT-S5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2014 09:07:13 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46719 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WLCTZ-0001oH-B1; Wed, 05 Mar 2014 09:07:13 -0500 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 03ACBE9C1F; Wed, 5 Mar 2014 15:07:08 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (John Yates's message of "Wed, 5 Mar 2014 08:38:36 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:170157 Archived-At: John Yates writes: > On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:20 AM, David Kastrup wrote: > >> =D3scar Fuentes writes: >> > You are like catholic priests dictating how people >> > should deal with sexuality. See what they achieve. >> >> You manage to stoop to insinuations of child molestation. > > > David, > > If you reread Oscar's posting carefully I hope that you will see that he > did not insinuate child molestation. That you had such a response speaks > volumes regarding the poor image the catholic priesthood has currently in > the public eye (and perhaps a tiny bit regarding your willingness to > demonize Oscar). My interpretation was that, at least in North America a= nd > Western Europe, catholic teachings on sexuality are largely ignored (e.g. > pre-marital sex, birth control, divorce, homosexuality, etc). Your interpretation of "largely ignored by the public" does not fit his attack since we are talking about _inner_ effects of the policies of the GNU project, not their effect on the public. It also does not fit his attack since the priests would not fare any better than "largely being ignored" if they tried not to teach their church's morals at all. Now it may well be that =D3scar does not bother to think through what he writes. The end result is the same: as he does not consider either treating his discussion partners or their points with basic respect, there is nothing to be gained by submitting oneself to his abuse. His conclusions are foregone, and the longer one attempts to reason with him, the lower his esteem of people disagreeing with him gets and the more abusive he becomes. If you actually stoop low enough to interpret his "analogy", the conclusion you end up with is that he claims that neither Richard nor I=A0know what programming and/or free software is like while talking about it. I am not interested in the next escalation. The current one is more than pathetic enough. --=20 David Kastrup