From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tassilo Horn Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes in frame/window code Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 18:37:14 +0200 Message-ID: <87vbqd7adh.fsf@gnu.org> References: <53CE6A44.1010708@gmx.at> <53D4FF76.1060804@gmx.at> <8338dmj1of.fsf@gnu.org> <83wqayhe0o.fsf@gnu.org> <53D542B3.20206@gmx.at> <83tx62hane.fsf@gnu.org> <53D6172A.5010909@gmx.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1406824788 27617 80.91.229.3 (31 Jul 2014 16:39:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:39:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: martin rudalics , Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 31 18:39:42 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XCtOE-0007V9-Bt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 18:39:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57746 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XCtOE-0001EE-0k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:39:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39062) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XCtO4-0001AV-Lj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:39:33 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XCtNz-0007XR-AE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:39:28 -0400 Original-Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.26]:46195) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XCtNz-0007XI-2y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:39:23 -0400 Original-Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by gateway1.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968A121CE7 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:39:22 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date :in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=smtpout; bh=2inGUEX3XarGqJL9uYn2h9eou+M=; b=qtXzIlGhHAlvJ3jGGgEAvj7IBLdh +Oxv1Un8cYHjTkrV3CHIjQV2zAO6esi7+mpJBSJluhxXxON/WaosB6Vdhc3rsC2J iJRS06YibyqrfgC0ebBKbIkAUxE86IyXIJQyq0WZsbxdgwjw04620hdqvlK8M4dK efuEf1V4/uDyHGo= X-Sasl-enc: k3e/XKB2jiwfh3YyAqpJkda2hFhIOMUrRAGOZNrjuA0f 1406824762 Original-Received: from thinkpad-t440p (unknown [31.213.103.100]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 56E0F680540; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Mail-Followup-To: Stefan Monnier , martin rudalics , Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:18:39 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130012 (Ma Gnus v0.12) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 66.111.4.26 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:173326 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > Regarding the horizontal scrollbar, I find it really odd to have a > scrollbar when the text is wrapped. So I think by default, it should > only be present when the text is truncated. I had the same feeling when I saw them first. And ideally, they would only show up when the text is actually truncated, i.e., `truncate-lines' is t and there is a line that's longer than the window width. Basically, that would also make sense for vertical scroll bars. Why should there be a scroll bar when the buffer text is smaller than the window height? Bye, Tassilo