From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ashton Kemerling Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs as WM Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 08:47:38 -0600 Message-ID: <87vbprtbp1.fsf@gmail.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1408286895 31940 80.91.229.3 (17 Aug 2014 14:48:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 14:48:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: maplant2@illinois.edu, Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 17 16:48:08 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XJ1kb-0005ma-N1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 16:48:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39267 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XJ1kb-00067C-CX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 10:48:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38314) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XJ1kI-00066v-RW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 10:47:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XJ1kD-0000r5-Db for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 10:47:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ig0-x22b.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22b]:60373) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XJ1kD-0000r0-8Q; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 10:47:41 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ig0-f171.google.com with SMTP id l13so5923491iga.4 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 07:47:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=cxATFo3bkwt2O2rSUG4OG3Nh5EFxKCQrCrme0Mn830Q=; b=LrmStVosUZ43iipof36BWe3DxiiSFU3KoSualyoqs4iifxuhbndxjtTrguYqu557Vu EcobWSSE9RoHvOR+84R1K5EHnJLtnRN09LtCWHuvEVnnZt/c6okuO4T/mKfeCpOamaKX zLCEMXz3+nHZfzgcFYXaOxQ1XpzcAeMYBSBCaPxKcmDRURM+pU7Tq0DvSe1lX3Ce9yCO uVnJOFQ31ZHQomSNplLF84wk1H8oWIhQBlRQXZ4rMoGzxt/vGpRV/F5nv/UpSLXwlYNS 6ByJ3funnDupd4tz1Zj4NarFr29pNSJUAUJtFWXVgzEm2x8lwrr+mEcLESxOSM6Vognr BcLg== X-Received: by 10.50.153.83 with SMTP id ve19mr12166907igb.4.1408286860265; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 07:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from ashton-Aspire-5560 ([73.34.13.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qp11sm32655895igb.21.2014.08.17.07.47.39 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 17 Aug 2014 07:47:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Fri, 15 Aug 2014 23:06:22 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.92 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22b X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:173727 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > I completely fail to see how Rudel can be a substitute for Google Drive. > But then I don't know much about Google Drive. > > It is a server that lets various people edit the same document together. > Previously called Google Docs. > > Yet any solution based > on Emacs sounds like a non-starter, since most GNu/Linux users are not > Emacs users. > > Most users want WYSIWYG word processing, and that's why I want > Emacs to provide a way to do that. I really don't see that ever happening. Google drive is used heavily in mixed editor environments, by people not familiar with more traditional editors, and in areas where editing or viewing on a computer other than your own (e.g. conference room machine or phone). In many ways, Google Drive is a more flexible replacement for MS Office, which in itself was used in a very different way from Emacs for 90%+ of the userbase. I'm sure that many of us in this group are a bit over the top using Emacs for everything, I for one read and write to this group with gnus, I think there is a danger in assuming that this is the standard use case. If Rudel is seeing marginal usage, then the only question is whether that is because Rudel simply is insufficient, or if it fundamentally isn't what the user base needs. -- Ashton Kemerling