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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk,
	"João Távora" <joaotavora@gmail.com>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Metaproblem, part 3
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 14:38:27 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87vblpjq24.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83vblq2los.fsf@gnu.org>

Eli Zaretskii writes:
 > > From: joaotavora@gmail.com (João Távora)
 > > Cc: esr@thyrsus.com,  phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
 > > Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 12:20:47 +0000
 > > 
 > > An idea would be to prefix the subject line in the on-list dialog with
 > > "[mentoring]" so people know that a newcomer is being tutored and so can
 > > avoid contributing tangential matters or topics too advanced that will
 > > confuse the effort.
 > 
 > We can certainly try that, and see if it helps.

You could try it, but in my experience with communities that have
evident mentoring efforts suggests that "tangential matters or topics
too advanced" are not that big a problem.  Newcomers generally detect
and ignore 2/3 or more of those posts.  If newcomers get confused by
those, they should go off-list.  If mentors detect that a newcomer is
getting confused, *they* should go off-list.

The bigger problem is the level of list traffic itself, which is
intimidating to newcomers, who often don't even want to subscribe.  If
there are people who have demonstrated interest in mentoring, a
separate list is a good idea.

Which reminds me: better than an ANNOUNCE tag in the subject line is a
separate -announce list which feeds into the main -devel list among
others.  If announcements of freezes etc double the number of
announcements (vs releases and major security events), I doubt anybody
will complain.




  reply	other threads:[~2014-12-06  5:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 249+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20141203142859.24393.98673@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <E1XwAvL-0006M3-CA@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2014-12-03 15:31   ` [Emacs-diffs] master e820f16: Added file-tree-walk to files.el Stefan Monnier
2014-12-03 19:31     ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-03 21:19       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-03 21:54         ` Metaproblem, part 3 Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-03 22:13           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-04  6:30           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-04  6:32           ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-04 15:37             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-04 16:06               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-04 17:53                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-04 21:48                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-04 22:53                   ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-05  4:40                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05  7:20                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-05  8:06                       ` Glenn Morris
2014-12-05 11:24                         ` andres.ramirez
2014-12-05 14:26                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 14:46                         ` David Kastrup
2014-12-05 14:47                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-05 18:38                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-06 17:29                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-06 18:05                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-13 22:03                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-12-04 15:40             ` Generate ChangeLogs (was: Metaproblem, part 3) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-04 17:23               ` Generate ChangeLogs Karl Fogel
2014-12-04 17:28                 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-04 17:40               ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-04 19:09                 ` Achim Gratz
2014-12-05  8:07                 ` Glenn Morris
2014-12-06  2:24                   ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-04 18:18               ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-04 13:58           ` Metaproblem, part 3 Phillip Lord
2014-12-04 14:32             ` João Távora
2014-12-04 17:40               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 10:27                 ` João Távora
2014-12-05 10:45                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 11:21                     ` João Távora
2014-12-05 11:31                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 12:20                         ` João Távora
2014-12-05 13:16                           ` Kelvin White
2014-12-05 14:52                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06  5:38                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2014-12-06  7:07                               ` João Távora
2014-12-06  8:03                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-08 11:40                                   ` [mentor-request] a darkroom/writeroom mode for Emacs João Távora
2014-12-08 12:15                                     ` joakim
2014-12-09 11:46                                       ` João Távora
2014-12-09 12:45                                         ` joakim
2014-12-10  2:39                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-08 12:40                                     ` Rasmus
2014-12-09 11:28                                       ` [mentoring] " João Távora
2014-12-09 12:20                                         ` Rasmus
2014-12-09 13:11                                           ` João Távora
2014-12-09 14:56                                             ` Rasmus
2014-12-10  0:54                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-10  1:22                                                 ` Rasmus
2014-12-09 22:25                                             ` Rasmus
2014-12-11 11:22                                               ` João Távora
2014-12-11 17:15                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-12 11:19                                                   ` João Távora
2014-12-11 18:33                                                 ` Rasmus
2014-12-12 11:16                                                   ` João Távora
2014-12-12 12:09                                                     ` Rasmus
2014-12-15 12:01                                                       ` [mentoring-done] " João Távora
2014-12-15 13:06                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-12-15 13:20                                                           ` João Távora
2014-12-15 13:47                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-12-15 13:55                                                               ` João Távora
2014-12-15 14:38                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-15 13:19                                                         ` martin rudalics
2014-12-15 13:37                                                           ` João Távora
2014-12-15 14:15                                                             ` martin rudalics
2014-12-15 14:54                                                               ` João Távora
2014-12-15 15:28                                                                 ` martin rudalics
2014-12-15 22:10                                                                   ` João Távora
2014-12-12 14:27                                                     ` [mentoring] " Drew Adams
2014-12-12 14:38                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-09 16:32                                         ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-08 11:46                                   ` [mentor-request] Ecco - a literate programming documentation generator João Távora
2014-12-21 20:17                                   ` Results of the "mentoring" experiment Re: Metaproblem, part 3 João Távora
2014-12-21 21:22                                     ` Rasmus
2014-12-22 14:14                                     ` Results of the "mentoring" experiment Stephen Leake
2014-12-22 16:01                                       ` João Távora
2014-12-22 16:03                                       ` João Távora
2014-12-05 12:16                       ` Metaproblem, part 3 Phillip Lord
2014-12-05 13:20                     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2014-12-05 14:59                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06  5:45                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-06  6:18                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-06  8:01                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 16:32                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-06  8:29                         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2014-12-06 10:11                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 10:40                             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2014-12-06 10:47                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 11:04                           ` David Kastrup
2014-12-06 12:52                             ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-07  1:41                             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2014-12-09 12:29                               ` João Távora
2014-12-06 14:18                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-07  1:38                             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2014-12-06 10:51                         ` David Kastrup
2014-12-07  9:19                           ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-05 10:56                 ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-05 11:15                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 12:09                     ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-05 14:50                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-03 19:32     ` [Emacs-diffs] master e820f16: Added file-tree-walk to files.el David Engster
2014-12-03 19:53       ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-03 19:58         ` David Engster
2014-12-03 20:08           ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-03 20:28             ` David Engster
2014-12-03 20:58               ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-04 20:28                 ` David Engster
2014-12-04 20:46                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05  2:16                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05  8:06                     ` Glenn Morris
2014-12-03 15:34   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-03 16:41     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-12-03 18:08       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-03 18:36         ` Tom
2014-12-03 19:21           ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-03 19:27             ` Tom
2014-12-03 18:58         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-03 19:26           ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-03 19:11         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-12-03 19:27     ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-03 19:41       ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-03 20:03         ` Commit comment rules - and a metaproblem Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-03 20:26         ` [Emacs-diffs] master e820f16: Added file-tree-walk to files.el Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-03 21:14           ` More metaproblem Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-03 22:13             ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-04  6:38               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-04  8:38                 ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-04 10:11                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-04 10:23                   ` David Kastrup
2014-12-04 15:35                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-04 16:33                     ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-04 17:37                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-04 20:43                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-04 21:26                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 23:03                     ` chad
2014-12-04  9:08                 ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-04 10:01                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-04 10:11                     ` David Kastrup
2014-12-04 10:27                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-04 10:35                       ` David Kastrup
2014-12-04 11:01                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-04 11:07                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05  1:23                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-05  6:53                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-04 18:33                 ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-04 21:21                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-04 22:01                     ` Jorgen Schaefer
2014-12-05  7:08                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05  7:55                         ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-12-05  8:44                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 10:41                           ` the Emacs wiki Stephen Leake
2014-12-06 10:58                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 21:28                             ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-07 22:47                               ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-09  8:04                                 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-09 22:28                                   ` Alexis
2014-12-10 21:32                                     ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-06  5:11                         ` More metaproblem Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-06  7:47                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 11:52                       ` Nicolas Richard
2014-12-05 22:43                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-05 16:51                     ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-05 16:57                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-05 18:24                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05 21:16                           ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-05 18:56                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 17:27                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 17:52                         ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-05 18:39                           ` Glenn Morris
2014-12-05 21:23                             ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-05 22:24                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05 22:41                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-05 23:02                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 23:12                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06  4:58                                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-06  7:42                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 11:35                                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-06 11:58                                         ` David Kastrup
2014-12-06 12:35                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 14:10                                           ` Werner LEMBERG
2014-12-06  9:27                           ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-06 10:20                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 11:41                             ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-06 12:37                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 13:16                                 ` David Kastrup
2014-12-06 14:22                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 18:19                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05 21:14                         ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-05 21:23                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05 18:20                       ` Glenn Morris
2014-12-05 18:56                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-05 20:11                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-08 17:16                             ` Glenn Morris
2014-12-09 11:00                               ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-06  9:41                           ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-06  9:10                       ` maintaining FSF Emacs web page Stephen Leake
2014-12-06 17:57                         ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-07  9:20                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-09 12:30                           ` Alex Schroeder
2014-12-10  8:24                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-06  9:19                       ` More metaproblem Stephen Leake
2014-12-06 16:44                         ` Drew Adams
2014-12-06 18:41                           ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-06 19:24                             ` Drew Adams
2014-12-07 22:07                               ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-07 23:00                                 ` Drew Adams
2014-12-08 15:57                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-08 21:23                                 ` Przemysław Wojnowski
2014-12-09 16:54                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-10  9:16                                     ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-10 19:46                                     ` Przemysław Wojnowski
2014-12-10 20:48                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-10 22:10                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-10 20:09                                   ` Przemysław Wojnowski
2014-12-10 20:28                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05  9:58                   ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-05 15:44                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 17:37                       ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-05 19:36                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 17:34                     ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-05 17:40                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-05 17:54                         ` Karl Fogel
2014-12-06 12:04                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-06 18:56                           ` publicizing Emacs contribute Stephen Leake
2014-12-06 19:29                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-12-07  1:00                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-12-07  1:33                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-12-08  0:23                               ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-07  9:21                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-07 23:06                               ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-05 18:04                       ` More metaproblem Eric S. Raymond
2014-12-06 10:19                       ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-05 11:45                   ` Phillip Lord
2014-12-06  5:17                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-06 10:17                       ` David Kastrup
2014-12-06 16:45                         ` Drew Adams
2014-12-06 10:30                       ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-03 22:14             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-04  3:32             ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-04  6:25             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 18:37   ` master e820f16: Added file-tree-walk to files.el Michael Heerdegen
2014-12-05 18:57     ` Eric S. Raymond

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