From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 23:46:25 +0100 Message-ID: <87vbl4ei4e.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <87388bnzha.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87k31mdbhe.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tx0qiv45.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87h9wqd3i5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fvc8kdsp.fsf@gnu.org> <6e11cd85-09a0-4b7a-baa2-0c810bdebbce@default> <871tnsg0w7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419202013 30219 80.91.229.3 (21 Dec 2014 22:46:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 22:46:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Tom , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 21 23:46:45 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2pGu-00054B-IV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 23:46:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38520 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2pGt-00024u-Ld for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 17:46:43 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59786) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2pGe-00024n-8S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 17:46:29 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2pGc-0006fn-Uc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 17:46:28 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:38831) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2pGc-0006fh-RG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 17:46:26 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46006 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2pGc-00019E-9W; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 17:46:26 -0500 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C562FE0C52; Sun, 21 Dec 2014 23:46:25 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 21 Dec 2014 14:23:17 -0800 (PST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180450 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: >> > Well, one problem is that the manuals are really effective for >> > learning a lot in one learning session. And that's a good deal >> > for getting better with using Emacs. But it doesn't match >> > modern attention spans. >> >> Exactly. Users want to get the information fast and it is much >> faster to search for something in google than trying to find >> the relevant section of the manual. > > And why is that a problem? What is wrong with people using a > web search engine like Google to get access to information > about Emacs? Not all information is good, not all information matches the version you are using. One of the top hits for AUCTeX I remember being annoyed at contained information that was bad advice even when it was new, something like a dozen years before the web search returned it in a high place, turned bad not too long after that and it belonged to a student page that was long frozen in time with nobody to look after it any more, the corresponding mail addresses being either dead or non-responsive. We can't fix the "web". -- David Kastrup