From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tom Tromey Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Dynamic loading progress Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:32:38 -0600 Message-ID: <87vba2mcyx.fsf@tromey.com> References: <83r3trulse.fsf@gnu.org> <54E0D7E0.305@87.69.4.28> <83h9unukbg.fsf@gnu.org> <54E0DEF8.7020901@dancol> <83egpruiyp.fsf@gnu.org> <54E0FF93.2000104@dancol.org> <5610ED13.1010406@dancol.org> <56117F37.9060808@dancol.org> <56259FDD.8040401@dancol.org> <87zizeme8k.fsf@tromey.com> <5625B166.3080104@dancol.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445312014 628 80.91.229.3 (20 Oct 2015 03:33:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 03:33:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs development discussions , Philipp Stephani , =?utf-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lien?= Aptel , Eli Zaretskii , Tom Tromey , Stephen Leake To: Daniel Colascione Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 20 05:33:20 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoNfr-00076I-KL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 05:33:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43367 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoNfq-0000ua-MJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 23:33:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57143) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoNfY-0000uR-Hb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 23:33:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoNfV-0004CV-CB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 23:33:00 -0400 Original-Received: from gproxy9-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com ([69.89.20.122]:39317) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoNfU-0004CK-W3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 23:32:57 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 31180 invoked by uid 0); 20 Oct 2015 03:32:51 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO CMOut01) (10.0.90.82) by gproxy9.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2015 03:32:51 -0000 Original-Received: from box522.bluehost.com ([74.220.219.122]) by CMOut01 with id XFYi1r00w2f2jeq01FYldC; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:32:50 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=VOBOwb/X c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=GsOEXm/OWkKvwdLVJsfwcA==:117 a=GsOEXm/OWkKvwdLVJsfwcA==:17 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=zstS-IiYAAAA:8 a=PnD2wP_eR3oA:10 a=_emWc-O_5N4A:10 a=5lJygRwiOn0A:10 a=lSk3Sj_3BOdh020PHIoA:9 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tromey.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=TtrhK+rvxdA2TX+R0znqtPixtcr4rbx6ASbE6E1Igyg=; b=dp3kXnVcqp1RIYSU9dtqpr+IS5cgeGB+La7tCr9DYr3JIE2M4mtXoujw0pbNLJNZIqEhdB0LvhmLvoXi+HX+lNllmigHZRNEHH6PLj1Tl0flyH8kkT5seqw8U0BZ9uZg; Original-Received: from [65.128.79.106] (port=53418 helo=bapiya) by box522.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ZoNfH-0002dL-DS; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:32:43 -0600 X-Attribution: Tom In-Reply-To: <5625B166.3080104@dancol.org> (Daniel Colascione's message of "Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:13:42 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Identified-User: {36111:box522.bluehost.com:elynrobi:tromey.com} {sentby:smtp auth 65.128.79.106 authed with tom+tromey.com} X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 69.89.20.122 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:192146 Archived-At: Daniel> A runtime describes Emacs as a whole. It lives forever and has Daniel> no thread affinity. Thanks. Daniel> We have a perfectly good sentinel: NULL. NULL will never be a valid Daniel> local or global reference, so it's safe to use it to indicate that Daniel> something went wrong. Ok, I see, it really is JNI. I was confused because the module API doesn't implement this. This design seems a bit odd for Emacs in that "immediate" things like ints will still have to be wrapped in references. Tom