From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Feature freezes and Emacs 25 Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2015 10:59:34 +0000 Message-ID: <87vb9exeg9.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <56259FDD.8040401@dancol.org> <87zizeme8k.fsf@tromey.com> <5625B166.3080104@dancol.org> <86zizdczhp.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <871tc315y3.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83k2pvqg0l.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1446894004 15608 80.91.229.3 (7 Nov 2015 11:00:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 11:00:04 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 07 11:59:56 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zv1Dv-00019A-Ic for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2015 11:59:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43238 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zv1Dv-0003G8-6W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2015 05:59:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54378) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zv1De-0003Cx-W8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2015 05:59:39 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zv1Db-0000of-P4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2015 05:59:38 -0500 Original-Received: from cheviot12.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.234.12]:53823) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zv1Db-0000oT-IV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2015 05:59:35 -0500 Original-Received: from smtpauth-vm.ncl.ac.uk ([10.8.233.129] helo=smtpauth.ncl.ac.uk) by cheviot12.ncl.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Zv1Da-0001YD-Ch for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2015 10:59:34 +0000 Original-Received: from cpc6-benw10-2-0-cust45.gate.cable.virginm.net ([92.238.179.46] helo=localhost) by smtpauth.ncl.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Zv1Da-00061l-QS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2015 10:59:34 +0000 In-Reply-To: (John Wiegley's message of "Fri, 6 Nov 2015 20:53:19 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 128.240.234.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:193510 Archived-At: John Wiegley writes: > Since Emacs 25 is not yet released, the transfer of maintainership comes at a > slightly awkward time. I haven't fully caught my breath yet, but don't want to > impede Stefan's legacy from getting out the door. > > Let us officially freeze in one weeks, next Friday, Nov 13 at 11:59 PM UTC, so > that any ready, last minute features can get in before 25.1 is closed. Then > we'll take a pause and review whether anything should be allowed after the > freeze. Once we're comfortable with the bug situation, we release. > > I'd like to take a somewhat generous period for bug fixes, with feature work > happening in the meanwhile on topic branches. All severe bugs should either be > closed, or consciously deferred, before letting 25 out the door. If possible, I'd like to get my branch fix/no-undo-boundary-on-secondary-buffer-change in as well. It's not a huge change (in terms of size), although it's quite significant in that it affects nearly every keypress in Emacs because it changes the undo system. It changes a behaviour which is breaking my current package, and which cannot be worked around in lisp (at least not sanely). Phil