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From: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Proposed new core library: alert.el
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2015 15:49:54 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87vb9cusgd.fsf@lifelogs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87twoxx6t9.fsf@lifelogs.com

On Sat, 07 Nov 2015 08:44:34 -0500 Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> wrote: 

TZ> On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 13:09:39 +0000 Artur Malabarba <bruce.connor.am@gmail.com> wrote: 
AM> We can still use a plist if we want, as long as it comes after all of
AM> the format arguments:

AM> (message "Hi %s, I'm %s." 'ted 'artur
AM> :severity :urgent)

TZ> From experience, I think it's a bad programming practice to abuse a
TZ> function's interface (`message' mapped to `format' in this case) to
TZ> extend it.

TZ> OTOH Artur's approach makes it much easier to see what properties are
TZ> provided instead of hiding them inside the string.

After sleeping on it, I think the third and best way is to put the
properties first. Since `message' expects a FORMAT-STRING first, this is
unambiguous and the property pairs can be removed before passing the string
and the rest of the parameters down to `format'. In particular, it means
that partial application with `apply-partially' will work nicely because
the caller can pack the metadata at the beginning of the parameters. It
also degrades gracefully to the current call convention.

So, here's my revised proposal:

1) default message handler, most common case:
    (message "simple string") -> no metadata -> Fmessage()

2) default message handler, with metadata:
    (message :severity 'urgent "string") -> (display-warning ...)

3) installed alert.el message handler, most common case:
    (message "simple string") -> `alert' or Fmessage() depending on alert.el rules

4) alert.el message handler, with metadata
    (message :severity 'urgent "string") -> (alert "string" :severity 'urgent)

As far as the actual mechanics of the message handler function, I'll say
again that I think Artur's proposal makes the most sense.

Artur and others, let me know what you think.

Ted




  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-08 20:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-05  2:05 Proposed new core library: alert.el John Wiegley
2015-11-05  9:14 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-05  9:21 ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-05 11:39   ` Sven Axelsson
2015-11-05 16:09     ` Random832
2015-11-05 16:24 ` raman
2015-11-05 16:33 ` Vivek Dasmohapatra
2015-11-05 17:09   ` joakim
2015-11-05 17:09   ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-05 18:21   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-06 22:31     ` T.V Raman
2015-11-06 21:38   ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-07 13:20     ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-11-07 13:39       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-05 19:48 ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-11-05 20:03   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-05 20:23     ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-11-05 20:33       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-05 22:24         ` Bozhidar Batsov
2015-11-06 10:04         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-06 15:32           ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-11-06 15:52             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-06 16:01               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-06 16:20               ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-11-06 17:56                 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-06 18:10                   ` message-function (was: Proposed new core library: alert.el) Ted Zlatanov
2015-11-06 19:03                     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-07 13:31                       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-07 13:39                         ` message-function Ted Zlatanov
2015-11-06 21:20                 ` Proposed new core library: alert.el John Wiegley
2015-11-07 13:26                   ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-07 10:40             ` Elias Mårtenson
     [not found]             ` <m2io5e6d39.fsf@newartisans.com>
2015-11-07 12:28               ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-11-07 13:09                 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-07 13:44                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-11-08 20:49                     ` Ted Zlatanov [this message]
2015-11-09  0:03                       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-09 21:50                 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 18:34                   ` Posting new feature proposals on the wiki? (was: Re: Proposed new core library: alert.el) Nicolas Petton
2015-11-10 18:40                     ` Posting new feature proposals on the wiki? John Wiegley
2015-11-11 16:14                     ` raman
2015-11-11 16:43                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11 17:35                         ` T.V Raman
2015-11-11 23:27                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-11 23:40                             ` T.V Raman
2015-11-12 11:16                               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-12 16:40                                 ` T.V Raman
2015-11-12 22:34                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-16 16:52                                 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-16 17:03                                   ` raman
2015-11-06 15:50           ` Proposed new core library: alert.el John Wiegley
2015-11-06  1:47     ` raman
2015-11-06  2:16       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-06  9:47         ` Rasmus
2015-11-06 10:42           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-06 11:27             ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-11-06  9:50         ` Juanma Barranquero
2015-11-06 10:07           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-06 13:59             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-11-06 16:12         ` raman
2015-11-06 16:13           ` John Wiegley
2015-11-06 17:22             ` T.V Raman

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