From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2016 22:10:42 +0100 Message-ID: <87vb4y9ep9.fsf@wanadoo.es> References: <56BE7E37.3090708@cs.ucla.edu> <4hd1rw1ubr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <87vb4zb0i4.fsf@gnu.org> <837fheuu6a.fsf@gnu.org> <877fheb1rh.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ziua9mwq.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83h9git36k.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457385139 12202 80.91.229.3 (7 Mar 2016 21:12:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 21:12:19 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 07 22:12:11 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ad2Rl-0001rU-El for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 22:12:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58621 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ad2Rk-0004N8-T8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 16:12:08 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50505) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ad2Qm-0002wG-SG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 16:11:09 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ad2Qh-0007Uh-U1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 16:11:08 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:34459) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ad2Qh-0007Uc-OY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 16:11:03 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ad2Qb-0000xG-1D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 22:10:57 +0100 Original-Received: from 151.red-79-153-146.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([79.153.146.151]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 22:10:57 +0100 Original-Received: from ofv by 151.red-79-153-146.dynamicip.rima-tde.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 22:10:57 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 16 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.red-79-153-146.dynamicip.rima-tde.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.92 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:7vpTuLsHUd4lHBhqcXQBz+0p9UI= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201076 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Forgot to mention that we could try with adding to VC functions for >> easily obtaining the information people get from the ChangeLogs, to the >> benefit of those who are not familiarized with Git. >> >> We could also emphasize the tools we already have. `vc-region-history', >> for instance. Try to beat that with the ChangeLog. > > You are not addressing any of the problems we have with the existing > practice, which attempted to do exactly that. > > The current situation is unacceptable. Of course I'm addressing the problem: ditch changelogs, require quality log messages and put to good use our VC tool.