From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Visit New File menu item Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 19:56:36 +0000 Message-ID: <87vb4qup6z.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <87oaaldk94.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87r3fhoslg.fsf@fastmail.fm> <5bbe5c17ea420ab05bb8b71d0305e7d1.squirrel@cloud103.planethippo.com> <83shzvf3ha.fsf@gnu.org> <83k2l6fjq0.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457899022 19119 80.91.229.3 (13 Mar 2016 19:57:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 19:57:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: joostkremers@fastmail.fm, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 13 20:56:51 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1afC8A-0002Oj-FU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 20:56:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37435 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1afC89-00063C-OQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 15:56:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40578) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1afC85-00062c-HV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 15:56:46 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1afC84-0007DK-O3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 15:56:45 -0400 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([31.216.48.48]:60631) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1afC7y-00079g-MQ; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 15:56:38 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=1X84xShLLU7Lgzh3NmO77qgdp4GHrkRMOsTwN5cEMRE=; b=BDhQ6HzgxeN25YPx9JqN4M7g2i YvqtmBw2cm9ZL/YKZJB0n0cBWQytPlFzc4HMD+HJgEVmStGHe/tHr46YEoCq2xr9NWRDFThj09ciD XE7jpxUOhdVhe4u2MCx4355hXxkqcMMDnVEBVo+h0QnUEZmhe0ccQzpU+r11fD3CU9PQMqYckVCFn WXB4ewNBAC7NozC9Z7nvFcD9tEKESKTmeOx9FhcEZIdc9MRlpzKVOy0/YEeJ3lnlg4ochxzKexMDH 2AAvGWqyC+WM5yU1qMPM/YUc7p/30HZ9xog2+RTi9qvZCw2aRgBeOtCpPvEJzwiTIA/sESiOgFsst H+yWADQw==; Original-Received: from cpc1-benw10-2-0-cust373.gate.cable.virginm.net ([77.98.219.118]:36883 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.86_1) (envelope-from ) id 1afC7x-001Fid-MG; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 19:56:37 +0000 In-Reply-To: (John Wiegley's message of "Sun, 13 Mar 2016 10:02:38 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 31.216.48.48 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201639 Archived-At: John Wiegley writes: >>>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: > You make excellent points, Eli. > > Phillip, I'm sorry to give you the go ahead and then turn it around, but I > can't ignore Eli's wise counsel on this point. > > Can one of you please revert this for emacs-25? (I'm traveling at the moment). > After, let's discuss which menu options we might want to change and why, so > that others have more of a chance to chime in. Although there was a mini- > consensus on "New File", maybe we didn't give it enough time. I am happy to do a broad overview of the menu items if you wish, for either Emacs 25.1 or 26. There are some other oddities that leap to mind some which probably can't be fixed (window and frame manipulation inder "file") but also some that can (some of "Options" are selected by default, and "Highlight Region" can probably go, for starters). I wonder if we need some way of writing an "RFC" -- I would rather write a document about this, take and incorporate comments, then implement from the document, rather than discuss it here, then try to remember what everyone said, or stitch it together from the mailing list archives. Perhaps some org-files in an orphan branch in the repo? Phil