From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Using Org as the source format to generate org.texi Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 20:07:57 +0000 Message-ID: <87vae3zobm.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <878tb5axms.fsf@bzg.fr> <6630c346-1b5a-d265-2b3a-05c4f7c497c6@cs.ucla.edu> <87muzk4tzs.fsf@gnu.org> <0ma7vjsrzi.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87fu59qhbd.fsf@Rainer.invalid> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1520712408 945 195.159.176.226 (10 Mar 2018 20:06:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 20:06:48 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.91 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Achim Gratz Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 10 21:06:44 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1euklN-0008U4-Mj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Mar 2018 21:06:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51799 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1euknO-0006dV-DD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Mar 2018 15:08:46 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35166) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eukmk-0006dP-7C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Mar 2018 15:08:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eukmh-0005MD-26 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Mar 2018 15:08:06 -0500 Original-Received: from [78.129.138.231] (port=40666 helo=cloud103.planethippo.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eukmg-0005Ls-Ow for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Mar 2018 15:08:02 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=EgHuwjAzbe4IQFZlbQBJ2QUcJIDpcgyWA1lHL+YGS5o=; b=3dqRPxuMOWyL2OUx3a6N0M8SX iZHSdH6HO/UluqRqPeC6WuzC9efgg0nOfm/uZJGQJnGzfqio3Yc9o2GsEpiQd9r8LZ1PZ36a1IKGe dr/wCDNsyVxbUYVUT3/oln7FK9xnlEu3AWUp0ITc5OYvg+ujGGRaJy8AqTkm7CfcZV3cLvWOGgp9C XbVIC//bApvflXpQiG0UpkU5s1RarnyCQ1VMUClhsvUAuiWEA7OGTFNQlOyALrCGotipU8BqmwTNU +jSzaqt1CKfbm7u8c3XKSPG1HuLgDFj1o3bqKvgJrzm0eJJlxF0wKFsL9jQq3TXlDPqVm83GgYvQ1 c7Fl9irRw==; Original-Received: from cpc142652-benw12-2-0-cust953.16-2.cable.virginm.net ([82.21.43.186]:33516 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1eukmf-003kfo-9t; Sat, 10 Mar 2018 20:08:01 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87fu59qhbd.fsf@Rainer.invalid> (Achim Gratz's message of "Fri, 09 Mar 2018 18:39:34 +0100") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 78.129.138.231 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:223595 Archived-At: Achim Gratz writes: > Glenn Morris writes: >> Note that this will make info generation depend on the existence of >> src/emacs, when it was previously independent. > > Well, you could certainly define a separate Emacs instance to be used > for the generation of the documentation unless you do a full greenfield > bootstrap. I think that's not a good idea, but I don't think it's necessary. Having info dependent on src/emacs might slow the build somewhat. It's easiest enough to test. >> Also, if any other manual made the same change, it would prevent >> bootstrapping Emacs without Org present (eg if the idea to include elpa >> packages in Emacs releases ever goes anywhere, and it's desired to stop >> duplicating Org in the Emacs repo; an idea which still makes complete >> sense to me). >> >> (Just trying to list some items relevant to the "other tweaking" part.) > > I'd say that it just changes the way how the bootstrap is done, I don't > yet see it preventing anything. The same line of argumentation needs to > be followed for the tarball generation. As it happens I have a version of this now. It would lead to the slightly strange situation that the build would refer to org-mode functions which are not actually hosted in the repo. So, it would mean that you could not build Emacs from a clean clone of the Emacs repo without access to the ELPA repo (i.e. a local clone). In practice, I suspect this would not be a huge issue. Phil