From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Some ideas with Emacs Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 00:26:38 +0100 Message-ID: <87v9qxq9ch.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <87d0dbszjn.fsf@mbork.pl> <8736e4titj.fsf@mbork.pl> <871rtoti9w.fsf@mbork.pl> <87v9qysxbb.fsf@mbork.pl> <87lfrusaxu.fsf@mbork.pl> <87fti2s7dx.fsf@mbork.pl> <878snus50l.fsf@mbork.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="182936"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: mu4e 1.1.0; emacs 27.0.50 Cc: VanL , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 04 00:39:58 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1icHlp-000lNj-Gx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2019 00:39:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60500 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1icHlo-0001pT-El for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2019 18:39:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41167) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1icHZF-0005FF-NN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2019 18:26:56 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1icHZC-0007nt-7o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2019 18:26:52 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:56356) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1icHZB-0007Yz-Ob; Tue, 03 Dec 2019 18:26:49 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7474CE65B2; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 00:26:45 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FzIHeZve_o5v; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 00:26:41 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (jeden09-dwa27.echostar.pl [213.156.109.227]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1EA03E6553; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 00:26:41 +0100 (CET) In-reply-to: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.110.48.8 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:243102 Archived-At: On 2019-12-03, at 01:20, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> OK. Does that mean that you only recommend "free" books to anyone? > > Not exactly, no, but when there are Free books available, I'll usually > refrain from mentioning others in the same area. I see. The problem in this particular case is that no free books are available in the same area (in fact, the only book available as of now is Glickstein's "Writing GNU Emacs Extensions", which I think is not very up-to-date - and I don't believe it is free, either). >>> E.g. I could accept a license which states that any derivative work >>> (translation or otherwise) needs to use a different title and/or clearly >>> say not only that it's a derivative of your work but also that it is not >>> your work. Or something along these lines. >> That sounds fairly reasonable to me, I guess. Does GFDL work this way? > > I don't think so, but I'm not sure. Maybe the invariant section can be > used for that. > > I do vaguely remember some software using a license along those lines > which said that any derivative had to use another name (TeX, maybe?). Yes, TeX does such a thing. > In some cases you can probably get similar results with a trademark, > which seems to match the underlying intention of being able to protect > your reputation. > >> I'm wondering whether there is some middle ground between CC-ND and GFDL >> here. For instance, one of the ideas I have would be to release a book >> under a strict license, disallowing even copying verbatim, then under >> CC-ND-something after, say, 3-5 years, and then GFDL after another 3-5 >> years. This looks pretty fair to me. > > Along the lines of the Ghostscript system which used to release 1-year > old versions under the GPL while keeping the bleeding edge > proprietary, IIRC. Yes, this is close. Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://mbork.pl