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[100.33.98.8]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c3sm3071029qkk.8.2019.12.20.10.29.11 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:29:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87o8w4f52t.fsf@telefonica.net> (=?utf-8?Q?=22=C3=93scar?= Fuentes"'s message of "Thu, 19 Dec 2019 21:11:54 +0100") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::72b X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:243521 Archived-At: =C3=93F> What about putting the changelog entry on the commit message? Hum, I just read this tribal knowledge https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2019-09/msg00667.html describing an "insider's" approach to changelog entries. I suppose those who have commit rights find this method none too onerous. As an "outsider" with a multi-file changeset, I've found wrangling changelog entries for email submission tedious and highly error-prone. A recent brouhaha discussing debbugs versus gitlab might also have critiqued patch-based versus pull-request based development models, and the efficacy of changelog entries. It's the kind of thing that has been so meticulously maintained for so many years that the old guard cannot be faulted for wanting to preserve forevermore. New-schoolers might counter w= ith the sunk-cost fallacy argument, however.