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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247497 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > I don't think the concept of "standard library" makes sense for Emacs > Lisp. However, I conceptually divide the programming facilities > of Emacs into > > * The Emacs Lisp language > > and > > * the editing facilities. > I see buffers as part of the editing facilities, not part of the Emacs > Lisp language itself. I'm not sure I see that distinction, since Emacs Lisp as a language doesn't really make sense without the editing facilities. It would make sense to classify Emacs Lisp as a whole as a highly domain-centric Lisp dialect. > What do you mean by the term "Eintr"? The book "An Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp"