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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255056 Archived-At: Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions. w= rites: > G=C3=B6ktu=C4=9F Kayaalp: >> >> There was an idea in another thread that we could ask major distros >> to not disable menu bar, and I said I could create the issues, but I >> though I=E2=80=99d wait for some of the maintainers (dis)agree first. Wh= at >> do you think, would such a thing be useful? >> > > I'm not a maintainer, but FWIW my opinion is that what will most > likely happen is that they will never agree to do this. Menus are not > "modern". FWIW, we don=E2=80=99t disable the menu bar in Guix. It seems super weird to me to disable a feature like that for all users of the package. We disable anti-features (like an application phoning home), but why would any distribution maintainer decide for the users on something like that? I personally don=E2=80=99t use the menus, but it would never occur to me to disable them for new users or to suggest they disable them. If you use a distribution that disables the menu bar, I would suggest talking to them. Perhaps this was done by an over-zealous person and has long been forgotten by whoever maintains the package today. --=20 Ricardo