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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257732 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> > (setq mode-line-thing `(:propertize "%12b" :min-width 10)) >> > >> > IOW, when the format and :min-width contradict, who "wins"? >> >> I'd say %12b should win -- :min-width should be used only to add extra >> padding if needed. > > But so is %12b, no? > >> > Or maybe we should re-purpose the WIDTH parameter of such formats to >> > mean "min-width"? >> >> Hm... *ponder* I think that perhaps sounds like a complicating >> factor. I mean, semantics-wise. > > I don't think I see the complications. Can you elaborate? I mean, it would be complicated if we did both. If we just extend "%12b" to effectively be :min-width, then that'd be fine, I think. Unless we want to do pixel-based :min-widths, but that's perhaps not so useful... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no