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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264851 Archived-At: >>>>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 17:23:44 +0200, Eli Zaretskii said: >>Specifying the position/size of a new frame seems to work ok >> though. ...when using the XWayland backend. >> More generally, fixing this is not going to be trivial, as >> gtk_window_move under Wayland is designed to cause us grief: >>=20 >> Eli> If this is the Wayland protocol, then users of Wayland will expect Eli> that, and we don't have to solve this problem. Right? I guess, although be prepared for a bunch of "desktop.el is broken" bug reports, along with "my workflow with (make-frame '((top . 50) (left . 50))) or (set-frame-position) doesn=CA=BCt work any more" complaints as Wayland becomes more widespread. (there is a 'session-manager' in GTK that you can allegedly use to save and restore frame positions and sizes, but I can=CA=BCt find much documentation about it. I suspect it would still fall foul of Wayland's "there is no global coordinate system" mantra) Robert