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From: "João Távora" <joaotavora@gmail.com>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Cc: "Philip K." <philipk@posteo.net>,
	Daniel Fleischer <danflscr@gmail.com>,
	Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>, emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Gitlab Migration
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2021 23:25:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87v93ljlpy.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <634c22fb-5bf1-e30f-a598-336f36b6e89f@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Tue, 31 Aug 2021 22:33:41 +0300")

Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> writes:

> A move that will at least bring us a functioning bug tracker is a plus
> in my book.

We are in agreement. 

> That's an odd statement. First of all, why would quality of code
> change? Whatever linters you institute to run on a CI, can run locally
> as well. Quality of discussions is also on you.
>
> gitlab/github/gogs/etc give you tools to make code reviews easier, and
> an opportunity to attract many new contributors, but then it's on you
> to make them feel welcome, so that they stay around.

I'm telling you that code reviews and the ensuing code quality didn't
become specially easier when comparing GH/GL to non-GH/GL.  There were
code reviews with and without these platforms and there were newcomers
with and without them.  There was no perceptual (from my POV) difference
in discussion or proficiency.  This was presented as anecdoctal evidence
and my subjective judgement, of course.  If it sounds "odd" to you, it's
totally understandable.

> Better "quality of code" can result from attracting strong new
> contributors, and looking at how, for example, bug#47711 ended up (a
> smart, prolific developer who has authored a number of popular
> third-party packages in the same area has now sworn off contributing
> to Emacs),

Shooting from the hip, heh :-) Well, if you are so troubled by bug#47711
I encourage you to reply there.  Not only am I waiting your promised
feedback but also it's got absolutely nothing do to with this
thread. (IIUC the participants in that bug are familiar and proficient
with Emacs's workflows and practices).

Bugs don't have to "end up" anywhere without discussion, opposition or
study of alternatives: Daniel wants to deprecate a part of Emacs and
substitute it with a new one.  To my eyes, that's a good idea.  I merely
had time and means to demonstrate that his patch made Icomplete run
about 10% slower.  He later thanked me for spotting this regression.  I
also asked to split up the patch, which is very long and seemed to do
many things at once, so that I could more easily review it.  After
providing an alternative patch, I'm waiting from you and Daniel a
translucid demonstration of the somewhat callous claims leveled at it.
It's short and speeds up icomplete-mode and flex by about 30%, as
requested by none other than you.  Indeed, I have been waiting for these
things and other things for about 2 weeks, and haven't heard a peep.

> or the atmosphere around Eglot, I find it hard to trust your
> experience here.

Intrigued about the amospheric conditions around Eglot.  Should I bring
umbrella or sunscreen?

>> methods used in Emacs development may in fact be "aces up our
>> sleeve", not just a means to appease those that have been using them
>> for a number of years.
> Sure, let's keep the barriers to contribution, both formal and
> informal ones. That will serve us well.

I'll just make one last effort to explain my position here.  You may
legitimately think they e-mail, debbugs, non-modern websites etc are
barriers, that they are "bad" to newcomers.  That is true, and I agree
in part, but it is not the whole story.  Some of us are trying to tell
you that that manichaeism is an oversimplification: these things are
_also_ "good", they are points of interest and value to veterans and at
least a certain class of newcomers, perhaps the newcomers that Emacs is
interested in attracting.

It goes both ways, too: I was once a newcomer and the development
practices that I've learned (and still learn) here specifically over the
years have been very valuable in my programming career.  Just some
examples: the deft use of boring old email to structure programming
ideas is very very good here.  The much-ridiculed GNU-style ChangeLog
commit messages are a superb way to review one's own work before
presenting it.  And I don't miss emojis, thumbsup likes and animated
gifs a bit, have to say.

João



  reply	other threads:[~2021-08-31 22:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 551+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-26 16:20 Gitlab Migration Daniel Fleischer
2021-08-26 16:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-26 16:40   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-26 16:56     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-26 19:27       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-26 19:33         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-27 22:50         ` Yuchen Pei
2021-08-28  4:57           ` Werner LEMBERG
2021-08-28  7:44             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-28  7:57               ` tomas
2021-08-28  8:42                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-28  8:47                   ` tomas
2021-08-26 19:38       ` dick
2021-08-26 19:51         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-27  6:26         ` tomas
2021-08-27 12:11           ` dick
2021-08-27 12:20             ` tomas
2021-08-27 12:41             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-02 11:06         ` Alexander Adolf
2021-09-02 11:13           ` Alexander Adolf
2021-09-02 12:12           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-26 16:38 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-26 17:24 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-08-26 17:52   ` Theodor Thornhill
2021-08-26 18:21     ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-08-26 17:59   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-26 18:42     ` Jim Porter
2021-08-26 19:09       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-26 19:31     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-26 19:41       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-26 20:12         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-26 20:51           ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-26 21:13             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-26 22:05               ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-26 21:41             ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-08-26 21:52               ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-30 16:30                 ` João Távora
2021-08-30 16:51                   ` Drew Adams
2021-08-30 17:59                     ` João Távora
2021-08-30 19:18                   ` André A. Gomes
2021-08-27  6:21               ` tomas
2021-08-27  7:23                 ` Debbugs state (was: [External] : Re: Gitlab Migration) Michael Albinus
2021-08-27  7:40                   ` tomas
2021-08-27 10:24                     ` Debbugs state Michael Albinus
2021-08-27 10:51                       ` tomas
2021-08-30 11:42                 ` gebbugs.gnu.org search (was Re: Gitlab Migration) Maxim Nikulin
2021-08-30 15:30                   ` debbugs.gnu.org search [was gebbugs.gnu.org search] Glenn Morris
2021-08-31 11:56                     ` debbugs.gnu.org search Maxim Nikulin
2021-08-27  6:29               ` [External] : Re: Gitlab Migration Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-27  7:25                 ` Drew Adams
2021-08-27  6:09             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-28  1:51               ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-28  6:45                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-28  8:53                   ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-27  0:40       ` Po Lu
2021-08-27  1:31         ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-27 11:33           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-28  5:05             ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-29  1:27             ` Po Lu
2021-08-27  1:01       ` Tim Cross
2021-08-27  7:07         ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-08-27  7:34           ` Tim Cross
2021-08-27  8:25             ` tomas
2021-08-27  9:47               ` Tim Cross
2021-08-27 10:44                 ` tomas
2021-08-27 11:54                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-27 16:59                 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-08-27 11:49               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-27 12:03                 ` tomas
2021-08-28  2:04                   ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-27 16:59               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-08-27 17:08                 ` tomas
2021-08-29  3:01                   ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-28  2:01               ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-28  1:39             ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-28  2:38               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-08-28  2:59                 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-28  6:57                 ` tomas
2021-08-28  7:41                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-28  7:53                     ` tomas
2021-08-28  8:39                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-28  8:43                         ` tomas
2021-08-29  3:03                   ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-29 12:55                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-30  3:01                       ` rmail threading Richard Stallman
2021-08-30 12:07                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-31  3:09                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-31 12:47                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-02  3:37                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-02  6:43                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-04  3:39                                   ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-04  7:16                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-06  3:09                                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-06  3:09                                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-28  3:21               ` Gitlab Migration Tim Cross
2021-08-28  5:02                 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-28  7:53                   ` Tim Cross
2021-08-28  8:52                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-28  9:10                       ` tomas
2021-08-28  9:54                         ` Tim Cross
2021-08-28  9:33                     ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-28 16:11                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-08-29  0:54                       ` Tim Cross
2021-08-29  3:18                         ` Drew Adams
2021-08-30  2:59                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-28  6:26               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-01 17:15         ` Maxim Nikulin
2021-08-26 18:01   ` john muhl
2021-08-26 19:08     ` Greg Farough
2021-08-26 19:21       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-08-27 13:47     ` Daniel Martín
2021-08-27 14:57       ` Tassilo Horn
2021-08-27 15:35         ` Daniel Martín
2021-08-26 18:36   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-08-26 19:04     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-26 19:26       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-26 21:52         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-02 15:25           ` Daniel Brooks
2021-08-26 19:37       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-26 19:44         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-26 20:05           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-02 15:30           ` Daniel Brooks
2021-09-02 16:03             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-02 16:19               ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-09-02 16:47                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-02 17:01                   ` Yuri Khan
2021-09-02 17:09                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-02 17:24                       ` Yuri Khan
2021-09-02 17:33                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-02 17:36                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-09-02 17:40                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-02 18:26               ` Daniel Brooks
2021-08-26 21:55         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-08-27  6:00         ` tomas
2021-08-27  7:36           ` Structured debbugs list per project (was: Gitlab Migration) Michael Albinus
2021-08-27  7:38             ` tomas
2021-08-28  1:52               ` Structured debbugs list per project Arthur Miller
2021-08-28 15:43               ` Michael Albinus
2021-09-09 14:07                 ` Michael Albinus
2021-09-11 20:42                   ` Stephen Leake
2021-09-12 16:10                     ` Michael Albinus
2021-08-27 11:25           ` Gitlab Migration Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-26 20:09       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-08-27  5:51         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-27  6:04           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-08-27  6:10           ` Tim Cross
2021-08-27  8:26             ` Andreas Schwab
2021-08-27 11:28             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-27  0:38       ` Tim Cross
2021-08-27  1:00         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-08-26 21:24     ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-26 23:52   ` Tim Cross
2021-08-28  2:59     ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-28  4:50       ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-29  3:03         ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-27  7:00   ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-08-27  7:16     ` Tim Cross
2021-08-27 11:30     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-27 14:33       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-08-27 14:46         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-27 14:50           ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-08-27 15:14           ` André A. Gomes
2021-08-27 15:29           ` Theodor Thornhill
2021-08-27 19:08             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-27 19:38               ` Theodor Thornhill
2021-08-27 20:07                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-27 20:58                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-08-27 21:06                     ` Sean Whitton
2021-08-28  8:00                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-28 15:20                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-28 16:04                         ` Drew DeVault
2021-08-28 18:08                           ` Daniel Martín
2021-08-28 18:13                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-28 18:19                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-28 18:32                             ` Drew DeVault
2021-08-29  1:56                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-29  6:55                             ` Drew DeVault
2021-08-29  7:38                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-29  7:42                                 ` Drew DeVault
2021-08-29  8:21                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-29  8:23                                     ` Drew DeVault
2021-08-29  8:30                                       ` Theodor Thornhill
2021-08-29  8:33                                         ` Drew DeVault
2021-08-29  8:39                                           ` Theodor Thornhill
2021-08-29 11:33                                         ` theo
2021-08-29 19:03                                           ` Tassilo Horn
2021-08-29 19:50                                             ` Theodor Thornhill
2021-08-29  8:45                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-29  9:09                                       ` João Távora
2021-08-29  9:53                                         ` João Távora
2021-08-29 11:03                                           ` Merges from release branch (was: Gitlab Migration) Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-29 11:14                                             ` Merges from release branch David Engster
2021-08-29 13:03                                               ` João Távora
2021-08-29 12:29                                             ` João Távora
2021-08-29 13:18                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-29 14:48                                                 ` João Távora
2021-08-29 14:59                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-29 15:21                                                     ` João Távora
2021-08-29 15:55                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-29 15:58                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-29  8:36                                     ` Gitlab Migration David Engster
2021-08-29  8:37                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-29 22:27                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-30  6:31                                     ` Drew DeVault
2021-08-30 12:32                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-29 23:17                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-30  6:29                                 ` Drew DeVault
2021-08-30 12:47                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-30 12:49                                     ` Drew DeVault
2021-08-30 13:00                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-30 13:03                                         ` Drew DeVault
2021-08-30 13:06                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-29  7:42                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-29  8:22                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-29 21:13                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-27 21:04                   ` Theodor Thornhill
2021-08-28  7:55                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-28  8:05                       ` Theodor Thornhill
2021-08-28 10:16                         ` Drew DeVault
2021-08-28 12:09                           ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-08-28 12:29                             ` Drew DeVault
2021-08-28 13:26                             ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-08-28 10:49                         ` Alan Third
2021-08-28 11:42                           ` Theodor Thornhill
2021-08-28 11:47                             ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-08-28 11:56                               ` Theodor Thornhill
2021-08-28 12:09                                 ` Drew DeVault
2021-08-28 15:24                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-28 15:35                       ` Theodor Thornhill
2021-08-28 15:45                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-27 20:45               ` GitLab feature request compared with SourceHut (was: Re: Gitlab Migration) Sean Whitton
2021-08-28  7:18                 ` Tassilo Horn
2021-08-28 15:09                   ` GitLab feature request compared with SourceHut Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-28 15:32                     ` Ben Mezger
2021-08-28 15:46                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-28 18:37                       ` Tassilo Horn
2021-08-28 20:15                         ` Ben Mezger
2021-08-28 22:20                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-08-29  3:03                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-29  7:10                             ` Drew DeVault
2021-08-29 18:30                               ` Ben Mezger
2021-08-30  2:59                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-27 21:09         ` Gitlab Migration Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-27 21:17           ` Theodor Thornhill
2021-08-27 21:35             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-27 21:44               ` Theodor Thornhill
2021-08-27 22:42                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-28  6:01             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-28  6:26               ` Theodor Thornhill
2021-08-28  7:30                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-28  7:56                   ` Theodor Thornhill
2021-08-28  8:41                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-28  9:00                       ` Theodor Thornhill
2021-08-28  9:24                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-28  9:51                           ` Theodor Thornhill
2021-08-28 10:18                   ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-08-28 11:43                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-08-28 11:45                       ` Theodor Thornhill
2021-08-28 12:25                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-08-28 13:49                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-28 14:11                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-28  6:00           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-29  2:27             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-30  2:58               ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-30 12:20                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-30 12:48                   ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-08-30 12:55                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-03  4:57                       ` Elias Mårtenson
2021-09-03  5:26                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-09-03  6:40                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-03  7:26                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-03 10:26                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-03 11:11                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-03 11:31                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-03 11:41                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-03 12:12                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-03 12:27                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-03 12:32                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-03 12:45                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-03 13:26                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-03 13:44                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-03 14:15                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-03 15:06                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-03 15:11                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-03 15:22                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-04  6:50                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-03 16:08                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2021-09-03 19:13                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-03 23:03                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-06  3:05                                               ` Emacs default bindings Richard Stallman
2021-09-03 14:25                                     ` Gitlab Migration Daniel Fleischer
2021-09-03 19:06                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-04  8:02                                     ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-09-04  8:18                                       ` Variables for easy customization (was: Gitlab Migration) Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-04 13:41                                         ` Variables for easy customization Stefan Monnier
2021-09-04 13:48                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-06  3:10                                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-06  6:39                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-07  3:18                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-04 14:24                                           ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-09-04  9:15                                       ` Variables for easy customization (was: Gitlab Migration) Alan Third
2021-09-04 10:59                                       ` Gitlab Migration Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-04 11:37                                         ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-09-04 13:50                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-04 14:10                                             ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-09-04 14:19                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-04 14:22                                                 ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-09-04 14:45                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-04 14:49                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-04 15:44                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-04 14:33                                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-09-04 18:07                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-04 13:46                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-04 18:16                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-04 18:21                                           ` Augusto Stoffel
2021-09-04 12:41                                       ` João Távora
2021-09-04 16:32                                       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-04 18:39                                         ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-09-04 19:14                                           ` Drew Adams
2021-09-04 19:51                                             ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-09-04 20:18                                               ` Tim Cross
2021-09-04 20:41                                                 ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-09-06  3:06                                     ` Emacs default bindings Richard Stallman
2021-09-06 12:02                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-08  3:22                                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-08  6:39                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-08 12:26                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-08 13:21                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-08 13:37                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-08 13:48                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-08 14:28                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-09 13:52                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-10  0:02                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-08 14:53                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-08 15:04                                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-09-08 15:06                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-08 16:08                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-08 17:34                                                     ` João Távora
2021-09-09  1:01                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-27 23:17                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-27 23:40                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-27 23:49                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-28  0:11                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-28  0:23                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-28  0:27                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-28  1:09                                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-28  0:54                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-28 11:16                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-30  6:04                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-28  1:21                                             ` Jim Porter
2021-09-28  6:58                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-28  7:10                                             ` Yuri Khan
2021-09-28  7:22                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-28 12:56                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-28 13:01                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-28 11:37                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-29  0:49                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-28  7:00                                         ` Enabling show-paren-mode by default (Was Re: Emacs default bindings) Bodertz
2021-09-29 17:07                                         ` Emacs default bindings Eric Abrahamsen
2021-09-29 19:34                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-29 20:02                                             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-09-05  7:47                                   ` Gitlab Migration Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-05  8:03                                     ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-09-05 18:38                                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-09-05 19:15                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-06  3:05                               ` Emacs default bindings Richard Stallman
2021-09-06 12:04                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-03 10:20                         ` Gitlab Migration Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-06  3:05                           ` like a module system Richard Stallman
2021-09-03 10:45                         ` Gitlab Migration Stefan Kangas
2021-09-05  3:44                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-05  3:44                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-07  2:55                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-07  4:56                               ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-07  5:01                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-07  5:38                                   ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-07  8:03                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-07 12:46                                       ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-07  7:26                                 ` Yuri Khan
2021-09-07  8:04                                   ` tomas
2021-09-07 12:41                                   ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-07 10:55                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-07 12:49                                   ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-07 12:55                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-07 13:24                                       ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-09  3:07                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-10  3:09                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-12  1:47                                   ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-12  2:41                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-31  3:09                   ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-31 11:43                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-31 16:03                       ` João Távora
2021-08-31 16:15                         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-08-31 16:39                           ` João Távora
2021-08-31 18:53                         ` André A. Gomes
2021-09-04 23:45                           ` Yuchen Pei
2021-09-05  1:26                             ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-08-31 19:33                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-31 22:25                           ` João Távora [this message]
2021-09-03  3:10                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-31 16:21                       ` John Yates
2021-08-31 16:37                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-31 19:17                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-31 19:37                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-01 11:35                               ` John Yates
2021-09-01 12:36                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-02  3:38                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-02 19:02                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-02 20:35                                     ` Representation of the Emacs userbase on emacs-devel Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-02 22:39                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-03  6:28                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-03 10:34                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-03 11:19                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-03 12:11                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-03 12:26                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-04  1:32                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-04  4:24                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-04  6:25                                                     ` tomas
2021-09-04  6:26                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-05  3:44                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-04  5:34                                           ` Yuan Fu
2021-09-05  4:40                                             ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-05  5:22                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-05  6:37                                                 ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-05  7:13                                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-05  7:27                                                     ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-09-05  8:08                                                     ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-05  9:06                                                       ` Tim Cross
2021-09-07  3:14                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-05 19:16                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-05 19:45                                                         ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-05 20:20                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-06  5:04                                                             ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-06 12:09                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-06 13:52                                                                 ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-06 14:05                                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-09-06 14:54                                                                     ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-06 14:11                                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-06 14:17                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-06 14:46                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-06 14:52                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-06 15:29                                                                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-09-06 14:48                                                                     ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-06 15:19                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-06 14:23                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-07  3:17                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-07  4:44                                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-07  5:17                                                                       ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-07  6:20                                                                       ` tomas
2021-09-07 12:37                                                                         ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-07 15:26                                                                         ` Yuri Khan
2021-09-09  3:07                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-09  3:07                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-07 11:05                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-07 16:35                                                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-09  3:07                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-07  5:10                                                                     ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-08  3:28                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-08  9:52                                                                         ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-06  9:24                                               ` Hugo Thunnissen
2021-09-06 11:26                                                 ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-05  3:39                                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-07  2:07                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-08  3:27                                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-08 11:07                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-09  3:10                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-09 14:14                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-12  1:47                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-12  1:52                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-27 22:48                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-02 22:58                                       ` Qiantan Hong
2021-09-03  6:06                                     ` Gitlab Migration Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-03  6:12                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-03  6:44                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-03 10:16                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-03  7:28                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-03  7:31                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-03  8:35                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-03 10:59                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-03 11:06                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-03 11:16                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-03 12:11                                               ` João Távora
2021-09-03 12:14                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-03 12:33                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-03 13:08                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-03 15:26                                                     ` João Távora
2021-09-06  3:05                                                     ` Emacs default bindings Richard Stallman
2021-09-03 12:49                                                   ` Gitlab Migration João Távora
2021-09-03 12:19                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-03 12:30                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-03 15:49                                                   ` João Távora
2021-09-03 11:26                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-03 12:08                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-03 12:17                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-06  3:06                                           ` Emacs default bindings Richard Stallman
2021-09-06  3:06                                           ` indent-tabs-mode default [was: Representation of the Emacs userbase on emacs-devel] Richard Stallman
2021-09-06 12:23                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-06 23:32                                               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-06 23:38                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-04 16:24                                         ` Gitlab Migration Christian Vanderwall
2021-09-04 16:58                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-05  3:41                                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-31 22:24                             ` John Yates
2021-09-03  3:09                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-02  3:37                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-27 18:19       ` João Távora
2021-08-28  2:07         ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-28  2:15           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-29  3:00             ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-29 18:40               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-29  3:01         ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-27 18:02   ` Augusto Stoffel
2021-08-28  2:59   ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-28  6:58     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-29  3:03       ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-26 18:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-08-26 19:13   ` john muhl
2021-08-27  6:50     ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-08-27 11:20       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-27 23:13       ` Yuchen Pei
2021-08-28  3:03   ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-27  0:37 ` Po Lu
2021-08-27 13:35 ` Daniel Martín
2021-08-27 13:58   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-27 14:17     ` Daniel Martín
2021-08-28  8:11       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-28 13:04         ` SourceHut for Emacs (was: Gitlab Migration) Stefan Monnier
2021-08-30 17:59           ` Sean Whitton
2021-08-30 20:17           ` Yuan Fu
2021-08-31 12:03             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-01 22:40               ` Yuan Fu
2021-09-02  6:32                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-28 14:07         ` Gitlab Migration Daniel Martín
2021-08-27 21:07   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-08-28  2:31     ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-28 12:23       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-08-28  5:57     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-28  9:25       ` Alan Third
2021-08-28  9:40         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-28 21:42         ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-08-28 22:03           ` Alan Third
2021-08-30 15:26     ` debbugs [was Re: Gitlab Migration] Glenn Morris
2021-08-30 16:09       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-08-28  2:59 ` Gitlab Migration Richard Stallman
2021-08-28  4:51   ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-28  7:03   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-28  8:12     ` Yuchen Pei
2021-08-28  8:45       ` Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
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