From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Mutating existing persistent data Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2021 21:27:07 +0100 Message-ID: <87v900duuc.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87tufmjyai.fsf@gnus.org> <875ys2lyt0.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wnkhlxb9.fsf@yahoo.com> <2FD7D920-D92C-480B-B2AC-91A17F0397C4@mit.edu> <87zgpdi0rk.fsf@gnus.org> <83h7bkzg01.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtlcfaga.fsf@gnus.org> <83ilw0xj6o.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17084"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: qhong@mit.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org, luangruo@yahoo.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, arthur.miller@live.com, john@yates-sheets.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 07 21:28:05 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1muh4H-0004JK-Ht for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 21:28:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41788 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1muh4G-0000YH-Kp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 15:28:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35196) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1muh3Z-00086g-RV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 15:27:21 -0500 Original-Received: from [2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2] (port=43246 helo=quimby.gnus.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1muh3X-0007ZG-F0; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 15:27:21 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=LPiFWJShMLfD+rYZmai9V9lxx9qqV015wdCMeW+CV/M=; b=mD9fLX1T/U4d/iVVOzvmI3FI35 Q2U0MqfOGIbrl4J8cVbDg1QVwsTg3I5a31JiGcJySURHfK6Jc1uEHMWJNCKwXrbpl/Fh36OzG4MMu EhCEYPoBj0VwGe968V5zMriM4OebvoTaXYRq049PbKC5JXLqugB3Qjc91rf880fxHyE0=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1muh3M-00029v-0N; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 21:27:10 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwCAMAAABg3Am1AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAM1BMVEX+/v7Q7fxtyPqj 3fvr9fkxsvzgtMPTUZ/h1czZlmTlrpfup3KviGSfbExeUD6yVz////+BBqVmAAAAAWJLR0QQlbIN LAAAAAd0SU1FB+UMBxQSAyio3+wAAAFpSURBVEjHxZXRcoQgDEWNRDQS5P//tkkAdbvtBB+2vauA mAOXZJydps8LZpW2QS7RDA4AEAJggNDlbRFm61BWBgu2BgPKIpPhiDCD3NiApe60iJUgc6gDxZWf dTWUl0G9vAO2tr6sk3gBt4NdQMBzYqk+bzsA/AKgeXoHwg9AdYQoURZ4PwNM+AJABRB1XmZsUpqX MzRkXrR6dZFaND22OpCEWy5blnqFECTP0DrEWkyzVofaS0msLI1ozWnSUVzlF1dRjEPAasEWP7ZH jHGza3CDP9ZGe1e0dnOBlFJHZEQuwBeRElH2gHgcmRWROx8iL3GbRmXdhWzEriVd1YhsgGtJgWyu BGB5GAJy5p1YgOwDMTMzaaqIZMS+JTsvkVRARykNA2kUsCglngBU9RigR0AaBegE0hMgn57GAC7C lGeW2hHcDyjeMvpBgEvpmA8w6adWqmgMoNLjB4A9X4TZctP6XaN/Af+pL6x6Fsf3UPEvAAAAJXRF WHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIxLTEyLTA3VDIwOjE4OjAzKzAwOjAw9UGG9AAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTpt b2RpZnkAMjAyMS0xMi0wN1QyMDoxODowMyswMDowMIQcPkgAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: The Human League's _Dare_: "Open Your Heart" In-Reply-To: <83ilw0xj6o.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 07 Dec 2021 22:18:39 +0200") X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2 (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -35 X-Spam_score: -3.6 X-Spam_bar: --- X-Spam_report: (-3.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:281281 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> So `define-state-variable' and `(state-value foo)'? It's a bit on the >> vague side, but it's kinda snappy. > > "stateful" sounds better, no? All variables are stateful, so I was hoping the slight awkwardness of "state" might indicate to the person reading such code that there's something special about a "state variable"... Uhm... anybody else got any ideas for a word for a variable that has a value that survives an Emacs shutdown? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no