From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?John_Ankarstr=C3=B6m?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Allowing point to be outside the window? Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2021 14:52:13 +0100 Message-ID: <87v8zzi4qa.fsf@ankarstrom.se> References: <87ilwd7zaq.fsf.ref@yahoo.com> <87ilwd7zaq.fsf@yahoo.com> <83bl24yaed.fsf@gnu.org> <87sfvg7l51.fsf@yahoo.com> <87r1az6bpy.fsf@yahoo.com> <87ee6nx42p.fsf@ankarstrom.se> <834k7jxo33.fsf@gnu.org> <87zgpbi5ma.fsf@ankarstrom.se> <8735n3dxnd.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23146"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (berkeley-unix) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:SpilvD2zR5Su5ChtLexM3RaDC78= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 08 14:55:30 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1muxPu-0005ns-GH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2021 14:55:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59022 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1muxPs-0000fO-HD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2021 08:55:28 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54958) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1muxMt-0006cm-JW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2021 08:52:23 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:35356) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1muxMq-00070d-TQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2021 08:52:23 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1muxMp-00010s-1u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2021 14:52:19 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:281356 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: >> That's why I suggested limiting the whole feature to mouse-based >> scrolling. If you are scrolling with the mouse, it is natural to click >> to set a new position for the point. But if you are scrolling with, say, >> Page Up and Page Down, you would need to move your hand to the mouse to >> set a new position for the point. > > I'm not saying we shouldn't provide all the knobs to _allow_ limiting > the scope of this feature to mouse wheel (or precision) scrolling, if > that is what you mean by mouse scrolling, but I see no reason to limit > the feature to that by default. Sounds good -- although I think that there should be an included command, like C-l, that moves the point to the currently viewed portion. >> This makes the whole feature quite useless for any scrolling that isn't >> mouse-based. When scrolling with the keyboard, it is annoying if the >> only way to move the point to the scrolled-to position is by clicking >> the mouse. > > If you don't like that behaviour, you will be able to turn it off by > setting `scroll-move-point' to nil. > > In fact, it's off by default. Which behavior do you mean? If you're referring to the point-detached scrolling, I *do* like that behavior. I would just dislike it if, again, there weren't any way (such as the reverse C-l I suggested) to move the point to the currently viewed portion. > Thanks. Thank you very much for working on this! I have wanted such a feature in Emacs for a long time :-)