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[108.168.178.34]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x13-20020a05620a098d00b006a6bd7028d5sm7806442qkx.18.2022.06.13.19.43.50 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 13 Jun 2022 19:43:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83k09kt1uk.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::731; envelope-from=yantar92@gmail.com; helo=mail-qk1-x731.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:291161 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> I don't think the slowness of processing nowadays is the crucial issue >> here. Computers are much faster now than in the 1990s. It used >> to take a long time for TeX to process the Emacs Lisp Reference Manual. >> Now it is perhaps 10 times as fast. > > The Emacs Lisp Reference manual gets processed in about 15 seconds > here. So 2.5 minutes required to process org.org into org.texi is > quite annoying. To be fair, 2.5 minutes are likely caused by unoptimized Emacs build because Org has to use the same unoptimized Emacs executable. In contrast, texinfo is an external tool with release build. So, while some generic improvements can likely be made on Org side, do not expect orders of magnitude improvements. Best, Ihor