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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 3785c5f916d1f42044f6e0829471f761; Wed, 17 Aug 2022 02:13:36 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 16 Aug 2022 16:31:20 +0000") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20531 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.189.84; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic306-22.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293530 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: > I *STRONGLY* object to removing any of the > `special-display' user options and their support. > They should never have been deprecated. I don't > want to see them ever be abandoned. > > It's fine for any user to (try to) use > `display-buffer-alist' to accomplish, in a > complicated way, what `special-display' does simply. > > It's wrong to get rid of `special-display'. I use > it all day, every day, and my code uses it. > > IF you create `display-buffer' user options that > unequivocally reproduce what `special-display' does > so simply, THEN we can talk about getting rid of > `special-display'. > > That's never been done - in spite of the cavalier > punt statement to just "use `display-buffer-alist' > instead", added by the deprecation to each of the > `special-display' doc strings. > > If you can't do it, how do you expect users to? > > `special-display' does everything I need that it > says it does, and it does it simply. > > `special-display' makes no claim or pretense to do > what `display-buffer-alist' does. And the latter > doesn't provide what the former provides. (Can > you make it provide that feature?) > > Leave it alone. Adding `display-buffer-alist' was > a _good_ thing - thank you Martin. Deprecating, > let alone removing, `special-display' would be an > atrocity. > > Removing `special-display' does _not_ "need doing". > Take a break - do something constructive instead. Seconded. I completely agree here.