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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:295782 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > > Hmm - to me it is clear, so I need to speculate what is needed to make > > it better. Something like > > > > "This function is only useful in place expressions." > > > > maybe? > > Thanks, this is better. However, we don't have "place expression" > anywhere in the manual (unless I missed something), we have "place > form". Is this the same? I think we are still aiming at good wording to describe the usage of generalized variables. Personally, I use "place expression" and "place form" as synonyms, since expression and form are synonymous. > And if this is the same, how about > > This function is only useful when used with generalized variables. I prefer the preposition "in" to "with" which sounds more vague to me. Also, some people seem to like saying a function "is" a generalized variable when it has a gv setter. I'm not sure if they would read your version as intended. Michael.