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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 8fa786caa423bafb33ae5eefb4fabd1a; Tue, 04 Oct 2022 00:31:07 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87v8p1aiof.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> (Sean Whitton's message of "Sun, 02 Oct 2022 16:51:12 -0700") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20702 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.184.44; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic317-33.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296819 Archived-At: Sean Whitton writes: > The point with battery consumption is not about running vs. standby. > The issue is that while users expect that running apt-get will drain the > battery, they expect that once apt-get is done, the only battery-hungry > processes are ones they start themselves. Laptop users typically avoid > running apt-get without mains power plugged in. If I do an 'apt-get > upgrade' then afterwards my CPU will be churning away compiling addon > packages, so I can't just unplug. I don't know if that's true with Debian users, but nobody I know of objects to running "dnf install" on battery. After all, installing new packages only takes a short amount of time, certainly not enough to significantly affect battery usage. OTOH, async native compilation is something I would definitely plug in for. That applies to other programs too, notably web browsers.