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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:300605 Archived-At: Bj=C3=B6rn Bidar writes: > I also was under the impression that fondering is better using PGTK when > using a high dpi screen, even under X11. Was that wrong?=20 If by "fondering" you mean font display, then yes, that was wrong: the same Cairo font backend as the default X11 build is also used by the PGTK build. > Now there's this big warning block wich appears when you use PGTK under > X11. > - Will it break emacs --daemon? The frame is spawned right when the X11 > display connection is initiated. Yes, it will crash regardless. > - I think it kinda rude to right out spawn a big window on every start, > it doesn't fit into how emacs usually acts. What I'm trying to say is > I think it is ok so show a warning every time server starts but adding > this big blob of text that spawns 2/10 of the screen when Emacs is in > fullscreen is a little much. The other alternative we considered was to prevent Emacs from starting under X11 when compiled with PGTK. > I wonder how viable this strategy if Emacs has to be compiled twice for > Wayland support. The alternative is to have an Emacs that crashes under X11 in various common situations. Please read the message in the dialog box.