From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Po Lu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Builder, a build system integration for Emacs Date: Thu, 25 May 2023 18:38:30 +0800 Message-ID: <87v8ggsnkp.fsf@yahoo.com> References: <95980ffc-86e7-ad54-4a20-539d8c6ea5d0@mailo.com> <3f68f4bc-d426-0bcc-1329-674c12b29386@mailo.com> <76e12f7c-335f-476b-ffb3-fd8e8e4ab5d0@mailo.com> <87pm6rx4ea.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wn0ytefw.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29374"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu May 25 12:39:21 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q28NL-0007Ly-PR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 25 May 2023 12:39:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q28Mp-0005X4-Sm; Thu, 25 May 2023 06:38:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q28Mo-0005WV-87 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 May 2023 06:38:46 -0400 Original-Received: from sonic305-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([66.163.185.146]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q28Mm-0003EB-2Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 May 2023 06:38:45 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1685011121; bh=FlDXgQEV4xIukZg2vizev894aYryLHdTGGaepM+NKM8=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From:Subject:Reply-To; b=JqNA3r4NZjKQTIi0GPvPlfT/2MNNPDY9iESjaQEZobL+CE1lTJ6KrNGuy8MZCEqvjFvTCgQaCo8TVUzYadu9NhQ4qeSuAzJglU/nIh8gvNVNRjTtZcfB+xLdz3KOr8ahH3JGWvyABt251CIai60+gHjnR6ApZMPDkZbfsnR5rRM5uEkvpMGxKhU4DntVboQZOxQ64O0Fx037mNSj7yRTOGS23zU69Fz3VujX9fpHp7dm8MU4ZpB5idI/9Y7mIXJvv9VQyFFXBYBkeQ97oViD8bYwKulIJKcOdrVxBSQahWTJ3iddeQp86ZKycBQ67VBGPdpCpPKWWWIwrZretUeDfQ== X-SONIC-DKIM-SIGN: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1685011121; bh=NDN+Sr1QGkP1/j5UeSsfYnhOgY7KphbZCgzR+BF8Qym=; h=X-Sonic-MF:From:To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=M4PgrdCeqpmzAL5rDXAdyhqAv7Jk7PpViyEi51Y6xPiX5yzpYwqdFE0jSLQZfYLGZRiYRL8qBsc13C5d8YLhAogEAtyMX1rFMJovLMQSC5n1sIKh7ad8LjrfVS7RbHS3kDltmiQCluMusMbnOfLhWuBP92YCKudDmJlLEVum05TQJ93eqQ0REBbevrrVlW1w12aUBJZQIBi7PrJ6WbC/z4B/dS7nAEfK30bMpS/EA2YCytSBpbwKD0EEKmjyuMLs98XT8FeEahWhWfJ7z7fDrd3eiYj4Parq92eG3adquTXeLBGRoR4kbdmChxLvp1vO6JPV9GPwsGzLxLydhmQk4w== X-YMail-OSG: 93IE4LsVM1mK13yna1ce0OgXdgATOV2HL65uqLF91CtZUcfAwzGHdsJ0lckoU6v bnTWaNN6p6U_PZVnxS85LeojA3sv4RTejnbQsS0BWP97RHPJ2wrBnKbVG0uKZvdyv9MsKUZ9eehc ijmQSBpJxK15K8o70JGiLVSp5crodT9kjrMXSk9680Hq8msaAFvDR6aovqiIu07fQMY_FWzKcFfk EJ7M1MUC2XHRloFr7DscMHsBMG78RZelhAJ1au3x8pEvlnTmZcGxlWYoh74L5nND4msjHZH7FrH7 PSnZKayggeLoUOSt5xRuF3ILjA6s_0LJqlzsbjl0xA6UNbjKVl_a6bEUJ7YpIHcuj8E1ru81n8OH o0qdKLyJtgye_yTmZ6DXnOQvgHzVVRKwf7IiitCioE58NX1mQWFC6bOq.4CVczDFiD1CkmduD_3u GPwyPC3pEaMq1VQ11.SEaDy_o8OIOcxdMbfERvN6OesyqNZGd5sjSnQ43pQym1c4QN_J.AnYSrx4 CBjvoMjHZ2Osb.oW9XUlA81mZPxXvzamimvjO9w5s5rVWQLcMC74XWZTqfhVjSAMCUalsUzOE0Ue xagjZJxT41lqKV9axutR.xPHFtDBAhThM9yFP0pkzsZnyFwOJRUscoLptHvpE.7NHeyPN9KV7AwE EfH4S1i7I92Sg8pJ9p_KdfwI9sUEEavgUifVkuzwRoRTpPRKRxXuvxSvDsJtMFEWKMdIaGbaR9nH oxQxobnwCeBbJwx8QUsFc_P3U2_EACEEQX8mKzgFAF2l9RtzKY6toI2OH2Ho1u1A56tQvCKP9PeB oWEP2O1mSNbM6v6AYtRpLIjhRch9jLLVS6cgPc1eU0 X-Sonic-MF: X-Sonic-ID: 81ba9337-115e-4b0b-93e6-0e0554bc10f9 Original-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic305.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 25 May 2023 10:38:41 +0000 Original-Received: by hermes--production-sg3-748897c457-f8pch (Yahoo Inc. Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 2afd06227cffb6a73b91cacb3f605f6d; Thu, 25 May 2023 10:38:34 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Gregory Heytings's message of "Thu, 25 May 2023 06:53:56 +0000") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21495 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.185.146; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic305-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:306323 Archived-At: Gregory Heytings writes: > You are spreading FUD. When you want to compile, say, Emacs, you need > to either download the binaries of the libraries that are not yet > available locally and their headers, or download the source of these > libraries and build them. Doing that does not "donwload half of the > Internet". After this you need to run the "configure" script which > checks which libraries (and sometimes which versions of these > libraries) are available. > > Cargo does all that for you. > >> >> Can we call this pattern neo-proprietary? >> > > No, we cannot. There is no relation whatsoever between software > proprietariness and this elegant solution to the problem of library > dependencies. The GNU project has had a long standing objection to package repositories which include non-free software. For this exact reason, Debian, which itself is 100% free software, is not considered an FSF endorsed operating system. gnu-misc-discuss is the place to debate this policy, not here.