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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 64abd7f5e9a418eafc370d4f2bbfcb4a; Mon, 19 Jun 2023 00:39:29 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Mon, 19 Jun 2023 01:35:28 +0300") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21557 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.186.206; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic310-25.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307022 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > Ah, so you are worried about maintaining a separate project infrastructure. > > Personally, I really recommend you try > Gitlab/Github/SourceHut/Gogs/etc. If you can bear with using any of > those, I'm almost certain that you will receive more and better bug > reports through those, and maybe even additional > contributors/maintainers. The repository or issue tracker infrastructure is not really the problem, having to observe a separate bug report address (and direct unrelated bugs back to bug-gnu-emacs) is. There's also the problem of managing the copyright assignment paperwork: I don't have access to copyright.list, so anyone who wants to work on the Android port will have to go back and forth between me and emacs-devel, which adds difficulty as well. Those are just a few of the problems. > But either way, like others said, developing the Android port in a > separate branch -- or even in a separate repo -- doesn't necessarily > preclude you from having access to Debbugs, ftp.gnu.org, and even the > Emacs mailing lists. I'm sure most or all of those can be arranged. [...] > Some larger time period could give more data, but so far it sounds > like both conclusions can work relatively easily then: keeping Android > port internally wouldn't result in too many additional conflicts for > others to excise. But keeping it in external repo (or branch) > shouldn't results in frequent conflicts either. And as a bonus, you > don't have to use the same file for NEWS, so those 3-4 conflicts you > mention would be avoided. There's also a certain mental burden associated with maintaining a separate project, which I'm not comfortable with. The same goes for the notion of starting what is essentially a fork of Emacs: we've seen the waste of resources that was XEmacs and is now the spin-off Carbon Emacs.