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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307349 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gregory Heytings writes: >>> There is another data point that should, I believe, be mentioned: >>> users who want to run Emacs on an Android device can already do so, >>> with both its TUI and GUI, without any changes whatsoever on the >>> Emacs side. >> >> FWIW, I tried to use that but found it unbearable. I can't remember >> all the annoyances, but there were many, and AFAIK there is no way >> for *us* to fix them. >> > > Many users try to use Emacs and find it unbearable ;-) > > More seriously, IMO "unbearable" is too vague. Which X server did you > try, with which keyboard if you used a soft keyboard, and with which > Emacs version? And which annoyances do you remember? The Termux:X11 > X server is under active development, so I'd suggest to try again, and > to report the annoyances you still experience. I would already consider it an improvement to have an official Emacs version that=E2=80=99s less complex to install *right* on Android. 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