From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Shrinking the C core Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 00:08:38 +0200 Message-ID: <87v8djkj6h.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <20230809094655.793FC18A4654@snark.thyrsus.com> <87il9owg0f.fsf@yahoo.com> <87fs4pkkqi.fsf@dataswamp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27254"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:2PNYiAe3iWMXt9/+xnR3FnsxMWw= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 13 07:09:39 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qV3MA-0006y0-Cy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 07:09:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qV3LO-0005kE-SO; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 01:08:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qUwmx-0000J7-Ta for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2023 18:08:51 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qUwmv-0002R8-S9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2023 18:08:51 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qUwms-0004KR-Lh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 00:08:46 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 01:08:48 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:308641 Archived-At: tomas wrote: >> Maybe we can use SBCL to compile Elisp, and after that >> integrate it into Emacs [...] > > - https://www.cliki.net/CL-Emacs It says: Also includes an elisp emulation package from Ingvar Mattsson: note that this is not the same as the CLOCC package below [...] CLOCC contains a package (elisp.lisp) that implements some part of elisp in CL.Also includes an elisp emulation package from Ingvar Mattsson: note that this is not the same as the CLOCC package below Sounds cool (probably a cool guy, Ingvar Mattson BTW) however changing software altogether because Elisp is slow, maybe that's to burn down the house to kill the rats. I am aware of Emacs forks as well as other implementations altogether but then the problem arises everyone still wants to use familiar software, e.g. Gnus, Emacs-w3m, ERC ... But maybe one could integrate parts of that solution into Emacs to have the cake and eat it as well. Is the CL in CL-Emacs as fast as compiled CL from SBCL? -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal