From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Objed maintenance Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2024 11:54:08 +0000 Message-ID: <87v843owbj.fsf@posteo.net> References: <85ttjyp9xh.fsf@gmail.com> <87cyqhvp3k.fsf@posteo.net> <87v843qfvf.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24631"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: clemera@posteo.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Amy Grinn Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 27 13:54:52 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1s0gdo-0006Dl-AL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:54:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1s0gdE-0001wS-Vk; Sat, 27 Apr 2024 07:54:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1s0gdC-0001wF-RH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Apr 2024 07:54:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1s0gdA-0000P3-Gy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Apr 2024 07:54:14 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 24B90240029 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:54:08 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1714218849; bh=K611IHPTnuujvF0XT7Mc1RsRjuGMLfodJ5xjUYaSxyU=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:OpenPGP:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type:From; b=lTsdhMBMV6MNug52Bx7oy9L4hrbsUjtLl9Qhw0VKtJkM9p+bZ/1ILs3vzx6UvyDW9 M05fCX0HxiqFjR2QFc4xjnbMV6pSN0GgLJSjyP5wtzeCC21g5Ryh/0EK6XB/bI2UJK C98t+mA1O/G++OnUHbLvDoA6LYsxLktLoRd6y7/upOl+81hULfmTPg+uHVdyv5/RTW WOdqur+IzjFoLpCFBi2fUtaGLLfdwH2+4DgdnNecghiFIXG988fL70pEMHwrRteXPx 8Bx2bDTmEGPD3Lf5bchTFWj2n6TgkLqyhPgBUcGmU8g1uinzlbLRjZBtZcNAE1vajT OlkQkhpRvPcBA== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4VRSg445Drz6tyj; Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:54:08 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Amy Grinn's message of "Sat, 27 Apr 2024 07:32:51 -0400") OpenPGP: id=7126E1DE2F0CE35C770BED01F2C3CC513DB89F66; url="https://keys.openpgp.org/vks/v1/by-fingerprint/7126E1DE2F0CE35C770BED01F2C3CC513DB89F66"; preference=signencrypt Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:318189 Archived-At: Amy Grinn writes: > Philip Kaludercic writes: > >> Amy Grinn writes: >> >>> Philip Kaludercic writes: >>> >>>> We should make sure that after switching the repository, new >>>> versions >>>> of >>>> the package shouldn't contain hard-breaks. I only used the package >>>> briefly a few years back, so it is difficult for me to evaluate >>>> this >>>> on >>>> my own. Perhaps someone here on the list has the package installed >>>> and >>>> could try out Amy's fork? >>> >>> Any feedback would be appreciated! >>> >>> There were a number of changes in version 0.8.3: >>> >>> *** Add binding for symbol object "y" >>> *** Change binding for forward-until from "`" to "'" >>> *** Change binding for expand-block from "v" to "h" >>> *** Swap bindings for forward-defun ("E") and beginning-of-defun >>> ("A") >>> *** Swap binding for del-insert from "i" to "c" >>> *** "i" exits objed >>> *** Swap binding for objed-last from "u" to "l" >>> *** Add objed-undo command "u" >>> *** C-g toggles objed activation >>> *** Swap binding for objed-object-map from "c" to "o" >>> *** Swap binding for objed-expand-context from "o" to "O" (capital >>> "o") >> >> I cannot comment on any of this, with the exception of the C-g change >> that seems invasive. Can you elaborate on that? > > The normal C-g behavior does not change but objed activation is also > toggled. It's something you kinda have to experience firsthand to > realize how non-invasive it is. I trust you if you say it is so. >>> In retrospect this should've been v0.9.0 according to the semver >>> scheme >>> Clemens is using. But we live and learn. >>> >>> >>> >>> Philip, I am using an unpublished dependency called key-game, which >>> I >>> wrote, which I thought might be useful for other modal editing >>> packages, >>> or for large packages like gnus. Anyways I will try to submit that >>> package for publishing on GNU ELPA before objed is updated. >> >> That sounds good, just inferring from the name it sounds like wizard >> or >> training program? Is this going to be a hard dependency or a weak >> one? > > Yes, it's a utility package to help create key-based or command-based > tutorial games. It's not a user-facing package, similar to boxy; I > wouldn't want users to have to install it explicitly. To answer a > potential followup, I also wouldn't want to split up the objed tutorial > game into a separate package. That would hinder discoverability and > make the installation of objed more complex. All that to say I believe > key-game will be a hard dependency. That is a pity. I try to advocate for minimising dependencies, especially if these aren't required for the core functionality of a package. I don't know how your package is designed, but couldn't you have a command like M-x objed-tutorial that reports an error if the package is not installed (or proposes to install it)? FWIW I don't think having a separate package is a good idea either -- too much noise in the package list. -- Philip Kaludercic on peregrine