From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thanos Apollo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Writting Greek in Emacs Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2024 09:49:07 +0300 Message-ID: <87v7y0wizg.fsf@thanosapollo.org> References: <874j5ql4pd.fsf@posteo.net> <87a5fdhlyg.fsf@thanosapollo.org> <87wmih6xa7.fsf@posteo.net> <877cahxffi.fsf@thanosapollo.org> <86ttdl2ig5.fsf@gnu.org> <874j5lxcvq.fsf@thanosapollo.org> <86set436z4.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="364"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: maciaschain@posteo.net, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 10 08:50:07 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1symzu-000APK-DH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2024 08:50:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1symz8-0007Tg-A2; Thu, 10 Oct 2024 02:49:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1symz6-0007TD-SW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2024 02:49:16 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.forwardemail.net ([149.28.215.223]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1symz2-0003SA-Nc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2024 02:49:16 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=thanosapollo.org; h=Content-Type: MIME-Version: Message-ID: Date: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Cc: To: From; q=dns/txt; s=fe-4dbabb00f3; t=1728542949; bh=bnyo3qPKaAL8H0urf1ktAqS979DutdOhRqhxKjrli5M=; b=smpPCX9T2DLtklryY2X49qXhvY8QuuKGmNHVEYuZvTgl5joYVB+6H17Vs7WNoLdlukLq73PyT UUSTWS8a6jWE7H+h5XFP+Jc7SV50Xgp7v1umBzm2h6D2mtlMODC9w+sol/AXT/QChz8SyzztFq8 ZHZ8Vvova+i0M+9g1Ma5oBo= In-Reply-To: <86set436z4.fsf@gnu.org> X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@forwardemail.net X-Report-Abuse: abuse@forwardemail.net Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@forwardemail.net X-ForwardEmail-Version: 0.4.40 X-ForwardEmail-Sender: rfc822; public@thanosapollo.org, smtp.forwardemail.net, 149.28.215.223 X-ForwardEmail-ID: 670778c67ac7524e0d0c2ca1 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=149.28.215.223; envelope-from=SRS0=1109=RG=thanosapollo.org=public@fe-bounces.thanosapollo.org; helo=smtp.forwardemail.net X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:324478 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eli Zaretskii writes: [...] > I proposed to consider having a separate input method for Coptic > because I understood your comments about that as meaning that having > both Coptic and Greek in the same input method causes technical > difficulties that might be hard to resolve. If there's no problem > having both languages supported by a single input method, there's no > problem to do that, either. We already have similar multi-lingual > support in input methods like latin-*. > Oh my bad. There is already a separate Coptic input method. It causes technical difficulties if someone wants to write only Greek using polytonic or monotonic, but I do not think that's what those input methods are meant for. A Greek Polytonic keyboard for Emacs would look like this: =CE=87~: 1! 2@ 3# 4$ 5% 6^ 7& 8* 9( 0) -_ =3D+=20=20 `=E1=BF=BE =E1=BF=80=E1=BE=BE =CE=B5=CE=95 =CF=81=CE=A1 =CF=84=CE=A4= =CF=85=CE=A5 =CE=B8=CE=98 =CE=B9=CE=99 =CE=BF=CE=9F =CF=80=CE=A0 [{ = ]} =CE=B1=CE=91 =CF=83=CE=A3 =CE=B4=CE=94 =CF=86=CE=A6 =CE=B3=CE=93 = =CE=B7=CE=97 =CE=BE=CE=9E =CE=BA=CE=9A =CE=BB=CE=9B =CE=84=E1=BE=BF = =E2=80=99=C2=A8 \| =CE=B6=CE=96 =CF=87=CE=A7 =CF=88=CE=A8 =CF=89=CE=A9 =CE=B2=CE=92 = =CE=BD=CE=9D =CE=BC=CE=9C ,< .> /; The current Greek (monotonic) input method in Emacs is this: `~ 1! 2@ 3# 4$ 5% 6^ 7& 8* 9( 0) -_ =3D+=20=20 ;: =CF=82=CE=A3 =CE=B5=CE=95 =CF=81=CE=A1 =CF=84=CE=A4 =CF=85=CE=A5= =CE=B8=CE=98 =CE=B9=CE=99 =CE=BF=CE=9F =CF=80=CE=A0 [{ ]} =CE=B1=CE=91 =CF=83=CE=A3 =CE=B4=CE=94 =CF=86=CE=A6 =CE=B3=CE=93 = =CE=B7=CE=97 =CE=BE=CE=9E =CE=BA=CE=9A =CE=BB=CE=9B =CE=84=C2=A8 '" \| =CE=B6=CE=96 =CF=87=CE=A7 =CF=88=CE=A8 =CF=89=CE=A9 =CE=B2=CE=92 = =CE=BD=CE=9D =CE=BC=CE=9C ,< .> /? This way users accustomed to Greek keyboards will feel right at home & one can write Greek monotonic using the polytonic keyboard with no issue. Some might not even notice the difference, since this is similar to how iPad's digital keyboards deal with Greek. When adding a new Greek input method, I'd recommend not deviating too far off of the current "greek" input method. =2D-=20 Thanos Apollo https://thanosapollo.org --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJMBAEBCAA2FiEEYrdY0PZxmTi8Cc7KM59zbDpyCSgFAmcHeOMYHHB1YmxpY0B0 aGFub3NhcG9sbG8ub3JnAAoJEDOfc2w6cgkogjsP/0WMwNGYpRge8HkyTQVDky/g Vl3nPKwSeOaiDa3Fwfh8Ad8uiGCqsWgiBsufOoiLZcrKBtKMvpW9yc4tx8qKqU8D 0eD9m8jLWY+OYb4dTFG6HeNQCLUpaNNaxzqxR6DTd8y8QlIif9S6pmLHSXRS95sE y/xmYnYQVeVX6BnYEdbLnAyMkuNcPE+mIkQsW5Yp/EG/lCaW8K7MEoBFH+76HakL +uZP4wh8K6GmEqysNHn1UlwzC8Ii7eAw6Bjcs2kaBZcBOl9r5qFEDow0P3RRwGBJ 5JFa4cFMKcC3EFTFqlnUQ/+UIsgLuEdlZg6USnHWv6zjxZMS7Q5GwIbZsMcJXpqW 5p94RXljog0IGBGBOv5I+7tEaAEuDkwXgS7MCeLIGINplASxa6k/S30wOeUNkYmw VrBGpScuAb3UaZgRIPY5bUwR6+Pvdf0fWG+CNfNPdnyx++fCTOEIWYvS3dBt4CO3 e0HCMYtDN95YDSKJ7HbhoGuqpAln7vWwjUItJH06iOrP6VM1Bhm4IxdC/s/7eX4M wGBltjPnNF8fTmGrWicfzMPcv+UlI/q9sRk962Z0bjnYRh56cXXfBRkUXujtsn9r Cy0GArYqc4/sw6ySAAcqReCdCAaUeX1Wj5iqjCFdzaP+LkVeI7iy/B7wd1QiqMSt j1+yJo185rG+Iga+J/R2 =IU/0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--