From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: kill ring menu Date: 04 May 2002 04:05:49 +0900 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <87u1pp9hma.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> References: <1020022891.27106.142.camel@space-ghost> <200204290505.g3T55t006146@aztec.santafe.edu> <1020059236.31789.358.camel@space-ghost> <200204300519.g3U5Js306727@aztec.santafe.edu> <1020212569.27106.2246.camel@space-ghost> <200205011926.g41JQBC07690@aztec.santafe.edu> <1020284783.27106.3417.camel@space-ghost> <200205031825.g43IPrt00762@aztec.santafe.edu> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1020452802 7713 127.0.0.1 (3 May 2002 19:06:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 19:06:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: walters@debian.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 173iOA-00020I-00 for ; Fri, 03 May 2002 21:06:42 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 173iTz-0000t5-00 for ; Fri, 03 May 2002 21:12:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 173iO0-0000wH-00; Fri, 03 May 2002 15:06:32 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp02.fields.gol.com ([203.216.5.132]) by fencepost.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 173iNN-0000sI-00; Fri, 03 May 2002 15:05:53 -0400 Original-Received: from tc-2-226.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.25.226] helo=tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp) by smtp02.fields.gol.com with esmtp (Magnetic Fields) id 173iNL-0008Pg-00; Sat, 04 May 2002 04:05:51 +0900 Original-Received: by tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CFD183090; Sat, 4 May 2002 04:05:49 +0900 (JST) Original-To: rms@gnu.org System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <200205031825.g43IPrt00762@aztec.santafe.edu> Original-Lines: 37 X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:3548 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:3548 Richard Stallman writes: > That is why I put it on M-y, which has no use if not preceeded by C-y. > > Using M-y would be convenient, I agree. However, it might be a > nuisance for people who type it by accident. I do that from time to > time. Right now I just get an error message when I do that; the > nuisance would be to get this menu instead. I think it would be very easy to accidentally get the menu. You usually use the M-y command in a series (to move through the kill-ring), and it's not uncommon to mistype it if you're really using `ESC y' and accidentally hit another key in between two M-ys. Getting the error message in such a circumstance is a little annoying, but being popped into a new buffer would drive me nuts. That seems like too high a penalty for a common typo. It also just seems a little odd to have the radically different behavior depending on whether it followed C-y or not, and it seems like it would make M-y kind of hard to explain -- I still think of it as a separate command, even if it's only really useful following C-y. So, I'm against putting this mode on M-y. BTW, why not make M-y do something reasonable if invoked without a preceeding C-y? I've always thought it would be handy if it would do the equivalent of `C-w C-y M-y' in that situation -- i.e., replace the current region with the first thing in the kill ring (and then you could type further `M-y's to continue down the ring). Note that doing that would make recovering from a `M-y typo' much more pleasant; what I usually do in that situation to restart the M-y sequence is `C-w C-y M-y'... -Miles -- P.S. All information contained in the above letter is false, for reasons of military security.