From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lute Kamstra Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Version of the Lisp Manual. Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 10:44:01 +0200 Message-ID: <87u0k7j4xa.fsf@xs4all.nl> References: <87acm1dsyb.fsf@xs4all.nl> <87oeagambh.fsf@xs4all.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1118312981 30666 80.91.229.6 (9 Jun 2005 10:29:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 10:29:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 09 12:29:34 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1DgJNm-0001ef-00 for ; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 11:31:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DgJUf-0007mh-76 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 05:38:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DgIuM-0002M3-VH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 05:01:03 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DgIp1-00020x-Uo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 04:55:35 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DgIgw-0001mD-0M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 04:47:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [194.109.24.35] (helo=smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DgIe8-0003vS-Gm; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 04:44:16 -0400 Original-Received: from pijl (a80-127-67-124.adsl.xs4all.nl [80.127.67.124]) by smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j598i2QO085452; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 10:44:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Lute.Kamstra@xs4all.nl) Original-Received: from lute by pijl with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1DgIdu-00015p-00; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 10:44:02 +0200 Original-To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:11:59 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Original-Lines: 44 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:38418 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:38418 Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Why not let the edition of the manual equal the version of Emacs? > > I think that's because not every version of Emacs automatically causes > a new edition of the manual to be printed by the FSF. Producing a > printed manual for sale in bookstores is a costly process; I think the > FSF only does that from time to time, not when a new Emacs version is > released. So the edition is only increased when the manual is printed by the FSF? That means that different versions of the manual can have the same edition number. Isn't that confusing? >> When you see edition 2.5 of the Lisp manual, that probably doesn't >> tell you much. > > It tells me that it is different from an older edition if that older > edition's number is different. The same as when you see a book named > "The Great Foo Bar Book, second edition". You just explained that, for electronic versions of the manual, the edition number could be the same while the manuals differ. That makes the edition number even less meaningful. >> The first thing you will do is figure out to which Emacs version >> that corresponds. > > That's why the title page says: > > @titlepage > @sp 6 > @center @titlefont{GNU Emacs Manual} > @sp 4 > @center @value{EDITION} Edition, Updated for Emacs Version @value{EMACSVER}. > > That is, the relevant Emacs version appears right next to the manual's > edition. No need to go hunting for it. I didn't mean to imply that it's hard to figure out to which version of Emacs the manual corresponds, just that the Emacs version is more meaningful than the edition number. Lute.