From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: etc/refcard.tex update. Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 23:57:29 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87u0j3qzq7.fsf@jurta.org> References: <87ekacqlok.fsf@xs4all.nl> <87d5pv4khg.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1120956803 3328 80.91.229.2 (10 Jul 2005 00:53:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:53:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lute.kamstra.lists@xs4all.nl, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 10 02:53:21 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DrQ40-0006cZ-Ql for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 02:52:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DrQ5V-0005Ho-5H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2005 20:54:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DrQ4x-0005Ds-2Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2005 20:53:56 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DrQ4r-00059r-QY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2005 20:53:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DrQ4n-00053F-Io for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2005 20:53:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [194.126.101.111] (helo=mail.neti.ee) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DrPue-0005Ge-Uz; Sat, 09 Jul 2005 20:43:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.neti.ee (80-235-34-69-dsl.mus.estpak.ee [80.235.34.69]) by Relayhost1.neti.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609051F81; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:36:03 +0300 (EEST) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Richard M. Stallman's message of "Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:31:23 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) (Debian) at neti.ee X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:40700 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:40700 > 2. In the section `Getting Help' keys `C-x 1' and `C-M-v' in > > \key{remove help window}{C-x 1} > \key{scroll help window}{C-M-v} > > don't work after typing C-h or F1 that were suggested to type > in the beginning of the same section. > > I don't understand the problem. What is the full scenario? I meant that `C-h ? C-M-v' doesn't work. But don't worry, refcard is not a place for such nuances, and the phrase `follow the directions' is sufficient. > Currently such highly related operations as Search and Replace are > described on different refcard pages. Wouldn't it be better to move > `Incremental Search' down and place it immediately before `Query > Replace'? > > Having them near each other would be better. However, searching is > pretty important, so perhaps moving it later is a change for the > worse. I am not sure which way is better overall--it is not > self-evident. One needs to look at both versions printed out. As Lute pointed out, on a 2 column refcard they are side by side, so let's not move them. What still bothers me in `Query Replace' is that `C-M-%' is not mentioned. Lute added a comment saying that it can't be typed on consoles. But is it a reason for majority of users (X, xterm, MSWindows, MacOS) to not know about `C-M-%'? Users who can't type `C-M-%' on consoles, have other means (manuals, help facility) to find a replacement command. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/