From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Diropen toolbar icon Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 16:33:44 +0200 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87u0eoh9af.fsf@jurta.org> References: <434E9D22.3090906@swipnet.se> <435E823F.4080901@vmlinux.org> <128B3191-3E6C-4392-9B28-23A8DA47B2AA@swipnet.se> <87psprimrj.fsf@jurta.org> <87br18i1ov.fsf@jurta.org> <436B9A5D.8010404@swipnet.se> <87k6fn5zrx.fsf@jurta.org> <436E0C03.8000106@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1131376238 28292 80.91.229.2 (7 Nov 2005 15:10:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:10:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: joachim.nilsson@vmlinux.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 07 16:10:34 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EZ8aj-0001l3-SK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 16:07:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EZ8aj-0001Mw-6s for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 10:07:25 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EZ8Kw-0008Sf-Fc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 09:51:06 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EZ8Kv-0008Ru-Ci for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 09:51:05 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EZ8Ku-0008Rf-U7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 09:51:04 -0500 Original-Received: from [194.126.101.111] (helo=mail.neti.ee) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EZ8Ku-0002OG-Vp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 09:51:05 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.neti.ee (80-235-32-104-dsl.mus.estpak.ee [80.235.32.104]) by Relayhost1.neti.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 016351C91; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 16:51:08 +0200 (EET) Original-To: "Jan D." In-Reply-To: <436E0C03.8000106@swipnet.se> (Jan D.'s message of "Sun, 06 Nov 2005 14:58:27 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) (Debian) at neti.ee X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:45540 Archived-At: >> Sorry, but I think this Up icon looks out of place when compared to >>Next and Previous icons. Next and Previous icons have arrows on the >>paper sheet in Portrait mode, but Up icon is rotated to Landscape mode. >>Could you leave the paper in Portrait mode, and to rotate only the arrow? > > I've fixed that now. Thanks. Now Up is consistent with Next and Previous. I only wonder why the paper sheet on Next and Previous icons you got from the Gnome repository has a different look than the paper sheet in search.xpm which is copied from the same project? Also I don't understand why arrows on Next and Previous are so unconventional. Usually when the arrow leads from outside to inside, this means that you have arrived to inside this node from either next or previous node, i.e. it denotes inward movement as in: http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/04/0428.html A more correct ideogram would be the arrow pointing outside to mean that you are leaving the current node to the next/previous node, i.e. the arrow denoting outward movement as in: http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/04/0444.html I don't know if we should fix these icons in Emacs, or to ask Gnome developers. >>I also suggest to place previous/next history icons before next/prev/up-node. >>The reason is that in most browsers previous/next history icons are closest >>to the left edge of the toolbar, and the Home icon (to which next/prev >>are related to) are located on the right. > > That is an easy change. Is this what others think also? There are currently also another inconsistency. In the header line navigational keywords are in the following order: Next: ... Prev: ... Up: ... But on the toolbar the order of icons is different: prev-node next-node up-node -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/