From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs unconditionally loads tramp.el Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 05:47:55 +0900 Message-ID: <87u08c9khw.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <87r73n5o5x.fsf@pacem.orebokech.com> <87hd4ewcj0.fsf@gmx.de> <87odyltqof.fsf@gmx.de> <87k698l5ww.fsf@gmx.de> <87slnwjktb.fsf@gmx.de> <874q0cjiz5.fsf@gmx.de> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1146343713 17426 80.91.229.2 (29 Apr 2006 20:48:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 20:48:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Michael Price , Eli Zaretskii , romain@orebokech.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 29 22:48:29 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FZwMZ-0002tq-LY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 22:48:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FZwMZ-0001zM-6b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:48:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FZwMM-0001zH-MF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:48:10 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FZwMK-0001z5-93 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:48:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FZwMK-0001z2-1R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:48:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [203.216.5.72] (helo=smtp02.dentaku.gol.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FZwPj-0004SA-LU; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:51:40 -0400 Original-Received: from 203-216-96-138.dsl.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.96.138] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp02.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1FZwMA-00070C-II; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 05:47:58 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 22B272F56; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 05:47:55 +0900 (JST) Original-To: Michael Albinus System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <874q0cjiz5.fsf@gmx.de> (Michael Albinus's message of "Sat, 29 Apr 2006 21:10:38 +0200") Original-Lines: 18 X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:53616 Archived-At: Michael Albinus writes: > Maybe that was the wrong question. Tramp will be known better when it > is shipped with Emacs 22. So you should ask around who's using > ange-ftp, _this_ are potential Tramp users. In my experience tramp is _much_ slower than even ange-ftp (in all ways, but especially establishing connections). I think this severely limits its utility for general use, and potential audience. Because of this I think the hostname (etc) completion are something that probably don't really matter very much to most users (and I suppose may even confuse those not expecting them -- I don't known the full list of syntaxes which trigger them), and thus that it would be fine to enable them only if tramp has been loaded (or enabled or whatever). -Miles -- Would you like fries with that?