* Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp
@ 2006-10-31 18:10 Robert J. Chassell
2006-10-31 22:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
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From: Robert J. Chassell @ 2006-10-31 18:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
I updated the Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp again -- and
have little left to do. (I have a few items left that Stuart
D. Herring recommended.) The update includes the Texinfo source in
lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi and the Info files in info/eintr*
Please look at a copy. Thanks!
--
Robert J. Chassell GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8
bob@rattlesnake.com bob@gnu.org
http://www.rattlesnake.com http://www.teak.cc
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread* Re: Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp 2006-10-31 18:10 Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp Robert J. Chassell @ 2006-10-31 22:46 ` Eli Zaretskii 2006-11-01 23:34 ` Juri Linkov 2006-11-03 4:36 ` T. V. Raman 2 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2006-10-31 22:46 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: emacs-devel > Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:10:55 +0000 (UTC) > From: "Robert J. Chassell" <bob@rattlesnake.com> > > I updated the Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp again -- and > have little left to do. (I have a few items left that Stuart > D. Herring recommended.) The update includes the Texinfo source in > lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi and the Info files in info/eintr* Thanks, but why on Earth did you commit the Info files in info/ ? We don't keep Info files in the CVS repository; the onloy exception is info/dir. Please "cvs remove" info/eintr and info/eintr-1. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp 2006-10-31 18:10 Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp Robert J. Chassell 2006-10-31 22:46 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2006-11-01 23:34 ` Juri Linkov 2006-11-02 11:49 ` Robert J. Chassell 2006-11-03 4:36 ` T. V. Raman 2 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Juri Linkov @ 2006-11-01 23:34 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: emacs-devel > I updated the Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp again -- and > have little left to do. (I have a few items left that Stuart > D. Herring recommended.) The update includes the Texinfo source in > lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi and the Info files in info/eintr* > > Please look at a copy. Thanks! I fixed some unbalanced quotes in this manual. I found them after converting the manual to the XML format, where the result was an incorrect XML file. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp 2006-11-01 23:34 ` Juri Linkov @ 2006-11-02 11:49 ` Robert J. Chassell 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Robert J. Chassell @ 2006-11-02 11:49 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: emacs-devel I fixed some unbalanced quotes in this manual. I found them after converting the manual to the XML format, where the result was an incorrect XML file. Thank you. I did not see most of the problems. Are there others? What about content? Of your four changes, three look good. I reverted rotate-yank-pointer, the change to which another poster also noted was in error. -- Robert J. Chassell GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 bob@rattlesnake.com bob@gnu.org http://www.rattlesnake.com http://www.teak.cc ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp 2006-10-31 18:10 Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp Robert J. Chassell 2006-10-31 22:46 ` Eli Zaretskii 2006-11-01 23:34 ` Juri Linkov @ 2006-11-03 4:36 ` T. V. Raman 2006-11-03 13:55 ` Robert J. Chassell 2 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: T. V. Raman @ 2006-11-03 4:36 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: emacs-devel For your next revision, it would be nice to add a short section on advice. >>>>> "Robert" == Robert J Chassell <bob@rattlesnake.com> writes: Robert> I updated the Introduction to Programming in Emacs Robert> Lisp again -- and have little left to do. (I have a Robert> few items left that Stuart D. Herring recommended.) Robert> The update includes the Texinfo source in Robert> lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi and the Info files in Robert> info/eintr* Robert> Robert> Please look at a copy. Thanks! Robert> Robert> -- Robert J. Chassell GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 Robert> bob@rattlesnake.com bob@gnu.org Robert> http://www.rattlesnake.com http://www.teak.cc Robert> Robert> Robert> _______________________________________________ Robert> Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org Robert> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel -- Best Regards, --raman Email: raman@users.sf.net WWW: http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/ AIM: emacspeak GTalk: tv.raman.tv@gmail.com PGP: http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/raman-almaden.asc Google: tv+raman IRC: irc://irc.freenode.net/#emacs ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp 2006-11-03 4:36 ` T. V. Raman @ 2006-11-03 13:55 ` Robert J. Chassell 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Robert J. Chassell @ 2006-11-03 13:55 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: bob, emacs-devel For your next revision, it would be nice to add a short section on advice. No. When readers make worth while additions they should go into the GNU Emacs sources. Only great programmers can start a new thread, as you did. Most programmers are not great, nor are the expressions they write. As (elisp)Advising Functions says Advising a function can cause confusion in debugging ... if you have the possibility ... run a hook ... ... a file in Emacs should not put advice on a function ... Over the next decade or two, I expect that more and more otherwise sighted people will want to listen to their email and the like. They will be using mobile telephones or driving their cars. (Certainly, the rest of us do not want a car driver to look at a computer screen; we want him to keep his eyes on the road!) Over time, a large number of people will see themselves as `situationally blind' and see that a solution is to listen. Text to speech synthesizers were developed for the permanently blind but they work as well for the situationally blind. It makes sense that `all core Emacs functionality ... speak intelligently' as you wrote in `emacspeak/lisp/emacspeak-advice.el'. After all, speech is another output format. And while the interface is somewhat like an Emacs for the sighted, but without a windowing system, it is also truly different, as you say. I wish Emacspeak were within the GNU Emacs sources. Then sighted developers would remember it as they do the current output formats, the virtual consoles without different textual faces and the windowing systems with. Moreover, even the sighted who do not know about Emacspeak could learn of it and find it installed. It could be called inside Emacs as a speech mode, as an emacspeak mode, or called outside Emacs, that is to say, started, as a program. But I doubt it is possible to incorporate Emacspeak into GNU Emacs. For one, GNU Emacs is not released frequently, so for most people Emacspeak would not get updated. My brother-in-law, for example, is using GNU Emacs 21, which was released in 2001. (It would make sense to release more frequently a program named Emacspeak that has the appropriate GNU Emacs in it ...) Also, I fear too many functions were written with advice and won't be changed. In addition, you may not have kept proper legal papers for Emacspeak. I don't know. Without them, it would be easy for enemies of free software to threaten obvious costs and thereby hinder distribution among corporations in countries with strong court systems. GNU Emacs and RMS are sufficiently visible that this could happen. Other distributions are less visible, so no one cares -- a case of "security through obscurity" succeeding with humans. A lack of proper legal papers might prevent re-written Emacspeak files from entering GNU Emacs sources. So, I suspect this is an example of the good, Emacspeak and GNU Emacs being separate, being an enemy of the better, namely Emacspeak being incorporated formally into GNU Emacs. -- Robert J. Chassell GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 bob@rattlesnake.com bob@gnu.org http://www.rattlesnake.com http://www.teak.cc ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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