From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephen Berman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs chooses wrong bold font Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:15:16 +0200 Message-ID: <87tzgp59x7.fsf@escher.local.home> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1211555785 17742 80.91.229.12 (23 May 2008 15:16:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:16:25 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 23 17:17:03 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JzZ0S-0000j8-2d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 17:16:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35381 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JzYzg-0001RD-PV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 11:15:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JzYzb-0001R4-II for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 11:15:39 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JzYzZ-0001QZ-Qa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 11:15:38 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=59874 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JzYzZ-0001QW-L3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 11:15:37 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:35169 helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JzYzY-00038G-W0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 11:15:37 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JzYzS-0006fh-7V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 May 2008 15:15:30 +0000 Original-Received: from i5387e593.versanet.de ([83.135.229.147]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 15:15:30 +0000 Original-Received: from Stephen.Berman by i5387e593.versanet.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 15:15:30 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 303 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: i5387e593.versanet.de User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:97594 Archived-At: On Thu, 22 May 2008 11:41:32 +0900 Kenichi Handa wrote: > In article , Glenn Morris writes: > >> Something in the latest round of font changes has messed up my bold >> fonts again. > > I installed a fix. In GNU Emacs 23.0.60.3 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.12.0) of 2008-05-23 on escher, which contains your fix, variable-pitch face with bold weight is not realized as family Helvetica, at least in many cases (but see the bottom of this post). For example, info-menu-header, which has the latter attributes, is realized as -Adobe-Adobe Courier-bold-normal-normal-*-12-*-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1, and info-title-1, which inherits these attributes, is realized as -unknown-DejaVu Serif-bold-normal-normal-*-21-*-*-*-*-0-iso8859-1. I see this both when I start Emacs with -fn "Dejavu Sans Mono-10" and also with -fn "Adobe Helvetica-10". > If you still see the problem, please run > Emacs as this: > % EMACS_FONT_LOG=1 emacs > and show me the result of M-x font-show-log RET. Here it is: ftfont-list: -*-Dejavu Sans Mono-*-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-bold-oblique-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-bold-normal-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-oblique-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 list: -*-Dejavu Sans Mono-*-100-*-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-oblique-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-bold-normal-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-bold-oblique-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 sort-by: -*-Dejavu Sans Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-100-* -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-oblique-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-bold-normal-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-bold-oblique-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 open: -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-12-*-m-0-iso8859-1 ftfont-list: -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-*-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-bold-oblique-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-bold-normal-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-oblique-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 list: -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-*-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-oblique-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 sort-by: -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-italic-normal-*-12-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-oblique-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 open: -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-oblique-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-oblique-normal-*-12-*-m-0-iso8859-1 list: -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-*-normal-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-bold-normal-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 sort-by: -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-light-normal-normal-*-12-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 open: -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-12-*-m-0-iso8859-1 list: -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-*-normal-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-bold-normal-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 sort-by: -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-light-normal-normal-*-12-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 list: -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-*-normal-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-bold-normal-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 sort-by: -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-bold-normal-normal-*-12-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-bold-normal-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 open: -unknown-DejaVu Sans 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-Adobe-Adobe Utopia-normal-italic-normal-*-10-*-iso8859-1 -Misc-Misc Fixed Wide-normal-normal-normal-*-13-*-c-*-iso8859-1 -Efont-Efont Fixed Wide-bold-italic-normal-*-16-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -Misc-Misc Fixed-bold-normal-semi-condensed-*-13-*-c-*-iso8859-1 -Efont-Efont Fixed-normal-normal-normal-*-10-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe New Century Schoolbook-bold-normal-normal-*-18-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H Lucida-bold-italic-normal-*-20-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-bold-normal-normal-*-18-*-iso8859-1 ... sort-by: -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-12-*-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 open: -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-12-*-m-0-iso8859-1 list: -*-normal-normal-normal-*-iso8859-1 -Gnu-Gnu Unifont-normal-normal-normal-*-16-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaTypewriter-normal-normal-normal-*-14-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -Misc-Misc Fixed-normal-normal-normal-*-9-*-c-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaBright-normal-normal-normal-*-19-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H Lucida-normal-normal-normal-*-14-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H Lucida-normal-normal-normal-*-25-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-normal-normal-normal-*-12-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaBright-normal-normal-normal-*-34-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe New Century Schoolbook-normal-normal-normal-*-34-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaTypewriter-normal-normal-normal-*-26-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Courier-normal-normal-normal-*-25-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaBright-normal-normal-normal-*-17-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-normal-normal-normal-*-34-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaTypewriter-normal-normal-normal-*-25-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaTypewriter-normal-normal-normal-*-24-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-normal-normal-normal-*-20-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H Lucida-normal-normal-normal-*-11-*-iso8859-1 -Misc-Misc Fixed-normal-normal-normal-*-7-*-c-*-iso8859-1 -b&h-Lucida Sans-normal-normal-normal-*-0-iso8859-1 ... sort-by: -*-helv-normal-normal-normal-*-12-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-normal-normal-normal-*-12-*-iso8859-1 open: -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-normal-normal-normal-*-12-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-normal-normal-normal-*-12-*-iso8859-1 list: -*-normal-normal-normal-*-iso8859-1 -Gnu-Gnu Unifont-normal-normal-normal-*-16-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaTypewriter-normal-normal-normal-*-14-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -Misc-Misc Fixed-normal-normal-normal-*-9-*-c-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaBright-normal-normal-normal-*-19-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H Lucida-normal-normal-normal-*-14-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H Lucida-normal-normal-normal-*-25-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-normal-normal-normal-*-12-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaBright-normal-normal-normal-*-34-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe New Century Schoolbook-normal-normal-normal-*-34-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaTypewriter-normal-normal-normal-*-26-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Courier-normal-normal-normal-*-25-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaBright-normal-normal-normal-*-17-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-normal-normal-normal-*-34-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaTypewriter-normal-normal-normal-*-25-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaTypewriter-normal-normal-normal-*-24-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-normal-normal-normal-*-20-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H Lucida-normal-normal-normal-*-11-*-iso8859-1 -Misc-Misc Fixed-normal-normal-normal-*-7-*-c-*-iso8859-1 -b&h-Lucida Sans-normal-normal-normal-*-0-iso8859-1 ... sort-by: -*-helv-normal-normal-normal-*-12-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-normal-normal-normal-*-12-*-iso8859-1 list: -*-normal-normal-normal-*-iso8859-1 -Gnu-Gnu Unifont-normal-normal-normal-*-16-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaTypewriter-normal-normal-normal-*-14-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -Misc-Misc Fixed-normal-normal-normal-*-9-*-c-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaBright-normal-normal-normal-*-19-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H Lucida-normal-normal-normal-*-14-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H Lucida-normal-normal-normal-*-25-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-normal-normal-normal-*-12-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaBright-normal-normal-normal-*-34-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe New Century Schoolbook-normal-normal-normal-*-34-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaTypewriter-normal-normal-normal-*-26-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Courier-normal-normal-normal-*-25-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaBright-normal-normal-normal-*-17-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-normal-normal-normal-*-34-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaTypewriter-normal-normal-normal-*-25-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaTypewriter-normal-normal-normal-*-24-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-normal-normal-normal-*-20-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H Lucida-normal-normal-normal-*-11-*-iso8859-1 -Misc-Misc Fixed-normal-normal-normal-*-7-*-c-*-iso8859-1 -b&h-Lucida Sans-normal-normal-normal-*-0-iso8859-1 ... sort-by: -*-helv-normal-normal-normal-*-12-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-normal-normal-normal-*-12-*-iso8859-1 list: -*-normal-*-normal-*-iso8859-1 -Gnu-Gnu 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Wide-normal-italic-normal-*-16-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-normal-oblique-normal-*-10-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-normal-oblique-normal-*-8-*-iso8859-1 ... sort-by: -*-helv-normal-oblique-normal-*-12-*-iso8859-1 -b&h-Luxi Serif-normal-oblique-normal-*-0-iso8859-1 open: -b&h-Luxi Serif-normal-oblique-normal-*-0-iso8859-1 -b&h-Luxi Serif-normal-oblique-normal-*-12-*-0-iso8859-1 list: -*-normal-normal-normal-*-iso8859-1 -Gnu-Gnu Unifont-normal-normal-normal-*-16-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaTypewriter-normal-normal-normal-*-14-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -Misc-Misc Fixed-normal-normal-normal-*-9-*-c-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaBright-normal-normal-normal-*-19-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H Lucida-normal-normal-normal-*-14-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H Lucida-normal-normal-normal-*-25-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-normal-normal-normal-*-12-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaBright-normal-normal-normal-*-34-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe New Century Schoolbook-normal-normal-normal-*-34-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaTypewriter-normal-normal-normal-*-26-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Courier-normal-normal-normal-*-25-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaBright-normal-normal-normal-*-17-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-normal-normal-normal-*-34-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaTypewriter-normal-normal-normal-*-25-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaTypewriter-normal-normal-normal-*-24-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-normal-normal-normal-*-20-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H Lucida-normal-normal-normal-*-11-*-iso8859-1 -Misc-Misc Fixed-normal-normal-normal-*-7-*-c-*-iso8859-1 -b&h-Lucida Sans-normal-normal-normal-*-0-iso8859-1 ... sort-by: -*-helv-normal-normal-normal-*-12-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-normal-normal-normal-*-12-*-iso8859-1 list: -*-normal-normal-normal-*-iso8859-1 -Gnu-Gnu Unifont-normal-normal-normal-*-16-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaTypewriter-normal-normal-normal-*-14-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -Misc-Misc Fixed-normal-normal-normal-*-9-*-c-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaBright-normal-normal-normal-*-19-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H Lucida-normal-normal-normal-*-14-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H Lucida-normal-normal-normal-*-25-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-normal-normal-normal-*-12-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaBright-normal-normal-normal-*-34-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe New Century Schoolbook-normal-normal-normal-*-34-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaTypewriter-normal-normal-normal-*-26-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Courier-normal-normal-normal-*-25-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaBright-normal-normal-normal-*-17-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-normal-normal-normal-*-34-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaTypewriter-normal-normal-normal-*-25-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaTypewriter-normal-normal-normal-*-24-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-normal-normal-normal-*-20-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H Lucida-normal-normal-normal-*-11-*-iso8859-1 -Misc-Misc Fixed-normal-normal-normal-*-7-*-c-*-iso8859-1 -b&h-Lucida Sans-normal-normal-normal-*-0-iso8859-1 ... sort-by: -*-helv-normal-normal-normal-*-6-*-iso8859-1 -b&h-Lucida Sans-normal-normal-normal-*-0-iso8859-1 open: -b&h-Lucida Sans-normal-normal-normal-*-0-iso8859-1 -b&h-Lucida Sans-normal-normal-normal-*-6-*-0-iso8859-1 list: -*-normal-normal-normal-*-iso8859-1 -Gnu-Gnu Unifont-normal-normal-normal-*-16-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaTypewriter-normal-normal-normal-*-14-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -Misc-Misc Fixed-normal-normal-normal-*-9-*-c-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaBright-normal-normal-normal-*-19-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H Lucida-normal-normal-normal-*-14-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H Lucida-normal-normal-normal-*-25-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-normal-normal-normal-*-12-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaBright-normal-normal-normal-*-34-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe New Century Schoolbook-normal-normal-normal-*-34-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaTypewriter-normal-normal-normal-*-26-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Courier-normal-normal-normal-*-25-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaBright-normal-normal-normal-*-17-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-normal-normal-normal-*-34-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaTypewriter-normal-normal-normal-*-25-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H LucidaTypewriter-normal-normal-normal-*-24-*-m-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-normal-normal-normal-*-20-*-iso8859-1 -B&H-B&H Lucida-normal-normal-normal-*-11-*-iso8859-1 -Misc-Misc Fixed-normal-normal-normal-*-7-*-c-*-iso8859-1 -b&h-Lucida Sans-normal-normal-normal-*-0-iso8859-1 ... sort-by: -*-courier-normal-normal-normal-*-12-*-iso8859-1 -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-normal-normal-normal-*-12-*-iso8859-1 list: -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-*-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-oblique-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 sort-by: -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-italic-normal-*-12-*-m-0-iso8859-1 -unknown-DejaVu Sans Mono-normal-oblique-normal-*-m-0-iso8859-1 IIUC, Emacs only finds bold Helvetica in 18pt size? Yet when I start Emacs with -fn "Adobe Helvetica-10", it uses -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-normal-normal-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1 for normal text, and I can add the bold text property and the face is realized as -Adobe-Adobe Helvetica-bold-normal-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1. Nevertheless, as noted above, the Info headers are realized with different fonts. Steve Berman