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From: Paul R <paul.r.ml@gmail.com>
To: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
Cc: ferkiwi+a@gmail.com, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Why Emacs should have a good web-browser
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:23:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tz15cbqg.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87iqhm3smc.fsf@catnip.gol.com> (Miles Bader's message of "Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:31:23 +0900")

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:31:23 +0900, Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> said:

> Most obviously, it's dynamic, and changing it is expected to be very
> cheap even if the buffer is huge.

As some others pointed out, you can easily access to a branch of the DOM
tree without touching the rest, pretty much like with Emacs. If you want
to play with that, install Firefox and its "firebug" extension. Within
minute you will be able to live-change parts of your web pages, both the
content and the style.

> Another issue might be that, to the best of my knowledge, html
> rendering engines tend to generate a "rendered" representation of the
> entire page, no matter how little of it is displayed (as opposed to
> Emacs, which does the most expensive processing mostly only the parts
> of a buffer that are displayed). This has obvious benefits (e.g.,
> scrolling around after the long initial setup can be fast, and your
> scrollbar can easily show physical display units), but has obvious
> problems too: displaying a 1GB file might take a l.o.n.g time to show
> the first page....

Emacs could easily use the big-file-in-many-chunks strategy, the
rendering engine would only be a rendering engine, i.e. no direct access
to file content.

> I don't know how well these engines deal with the underlying text
> changing; given that a small text change might affect the _entire_
> "rendered" data structure, there seems a good chance the answer might
> be "not very well."

Live-editing parts of a big wikipedia article with Firebug is
instantaneous on my good old laptop. The only cascading effect I can
think of is the visual filling, but now emacs does it as well so I'm not
sure it would be worst with a xhtml display engine.

-- 
  Paul




  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-07-22  9:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-08 20:11 Why Emacs should have a good web-browser Fernando
2009-07-08 20:54 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-08 21:55   ` joakim
2009-07-08 22:42     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-13 22:54       ` Daniel Colascione
2009-07-08 22:55     ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-08 22:59       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-08 23:05         ` Davis Herring
2009-07-09  0:05       ` joakim
2009-07-09 12:36       ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-09 14:25         ` joakim
2009-07-09 16:01           ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-09 17:39             ` joakim
2009-07-09 22:19       ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-08 20:58 ` Richard Riley
2009-07-09 21:12 ` Paul R
2009-07-11 20:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-12 11:01   ` Robert D. Crawford
2009-07-13  7:18   ` Ken Raeburn
2009-07-17 15:59   ` Paul R
2009-07-18  1:29     ` Miles Bader
2009-07-21  9:18       ` Paul R
2009-07-21 15:52         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-21 16:31           ` Miles Bader
2009-07-21 17:25             ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-22  9:23             ` Paul R [this message]
2009-07-21 16:52           ` David Reitter
2009-07-21 20:34             ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-21 17:13           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-21 18:21             ` Adam Wołk
2009-07-21 19:01               ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-21 19:26                 ` Adam Wołk
2009-07-21 19:33                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-21 19:47                     ` Adam Wołk
2009-07-21 20:02                   ` Robert D. Crawford
2009-07-21 20:08                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-21 20:37                       ` Robert D. Crawford
2009-07-21 20:24                     ` Adam Wołk
2009-07-21 21:27                       ` Robert D. Crawford
2009-07-21 21:36                         ` T.V. Raman
2009-07-21 22:14                           ` Robert D. Crawford
2009-07-21 21:48                         ` Adam Wołk
2009-07-21 22:24                           ` Robert D. Crawford
2009-07-22 10:33               ` Tassilo Horn
2009-07-22  9:12           ` Paul R
2009-07-22 14:47             ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]       ` <fxezoucvx5x8i57cbqUYAxe124vaj_firegpg@mail.gmail.com>
2009-07-21 22:09         ` Stephen Eilert
2009-07-21 23:05           ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-22 17:40             ` Stephen Eilert
2009-07-22 18:07               ` Chong Yidong
2009-08-30 18:22   ` joakim
2009-09-02  9:58     ` martin rudalics
2009-09-02 12:00       ` joakim
2009-09-12 19:03 ` Deniz Dogan

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