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From: Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: xah@xahlee.org, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Fiddling with the menus
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:14:23 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tz0gwpls.fsf@mail.jurta.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83my68lvuu.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 09 Aug 2009 20:50:49 +0300")

>> > Looking at the result, it does not seems very useful. For
>> > example, clicking on OOP shows a bunch of modes that really have
>> > little to do with Object Oriented Programing. Perhaps it should go
>> > into the “Search Documentation” sub-menu.
>
> There's nothing magic here: the keywords assigned to each package is a
> human's job; Finder just puts all of them into a database and
> trivially searches that.  Patches are welcome for adding more keywords
> and (more importantly) to re-index existing packages so that the
> search is more useful.

It is also important to remove some keywords.  You just said:

  In a good UI, each feature should be put under a group whose name
  gives a hint that the feature could be reasonably looked up in that
  group.  Having group names such as "Advanced" or "More options", that
  have no mnemonic value, is abusing the menus, which are supposed to
  make the job of finding a feature _easier_, not harder.

Exactly the same can be said about keywords.  There are keywords that
have no mnemonic value like "convenience", "extensions", "tools".
They should be removed with re-indexing existing packages.

-- 
Juri Linkov
http://www.jurta.org/emacs/




  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-09 23:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <D26C2A6A-F1CF-4820-ACBB-97F0592FB9CC@xahlee.org>
     [not found] ` <E1MYsVp-0002ps-S1@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]   ` <C2633D79FA454AE3B8A24E3F8890F67A@xahPC>
2009-08-09  3:36     ` Fiddling with the menus (was: bug#4043: 23.1; thanks for emacs 23!) Stefan Monnier
2009-08-09  3:53       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-09  5:13         ` Fiddling with the menus (was: bug#4043: 23.1; thanks for emacs Stefan Monnier
2009-08-09 17:20         ` Fiddling with the menus (was: bug#4043: 23.1; thanks for emacs 23!) Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-09 17:56           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-09 18:02             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-09 18:10               ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-09 18:15                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-09 18:21                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-09 18:51                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-09 18:54                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-09 18:57                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-09 18:55                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-09 19:07                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-09 20:36                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-09 23:00                       ` Fiddling with the menus Jason Rumney
2009-08-09 23:14                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-09 23:46                           ` Jason Rumney
2009-08-10  1:51                       ` Fiddling with the menus (was: bug#4043: 23.1; thanks for emacs 23!) Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-10  3:03                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-10  3:26                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10  2:27               ` Fiddling with the menus Stefan Monnier
2009-08-10  2:32                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-09  5:05       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-09  9:51         ` CHENG Gao
2009-08-09 17:38           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-09 18:06             ` CHENG Gao
2009-08-09 18:17               ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-09 18:24                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-09 18:54                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-09 18:59                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-09 22:54                     ` Jason Rumney
2009-08-10  1:12               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-09 17:50         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-09 23:14           ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2009-08-10  2:32             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-10  3:07             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-11  5:06         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-08-11 13:03           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-09 12:37       ` Fiddling with the menus (was: bug#4043: 23.1; thanks for emacs 23!) Florian Beck
2009-08-09 17:52         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-09 17:26       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-09 18:05         ` Fiddling with the menus Richard Riley
2009-08-09 18:14           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-10  2:09         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-10  3:16           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-09 23:09       ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-09 23:29         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10  0:10           ` Drew Adams
2009-08-10  2:22           ` Stefan Monnier

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