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From: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: juri@jurta.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: using libmagic in Emacs?
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:03:48 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tyzovxd7.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1Mhxdh-000698-Iw@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 30 Aug 2009 23:33:05 -0400")

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

>     PLEASE do not base Emacs infrastructure on external programs, unless
>     they come with Emacs.  `file' is not available on every platform, and
>
> libmagic isn't either.
>
>     even on those it is, the quality and extent of its database is unclear
>     and so cannot be relied upon.
>
> On systems that have libmagic, isn't it the case that file uses libmagic?
>
>     I really don't understand why linking against a simple free library is
>     an issue, but if it is, we should find a different solution using some
>     database internal to Emacs, as we did until now.
>
> It shouldn't be a big deal.  Only a few specialized places should want
> to run `file' on a file.

No one has yet explained why we shouldn't deal with such failures by
simply fixing Emacs' file detection, instead of relying on libmagic or
file.  Given that libmagic/file isn't always going to be present, and
there's no intention of removing our file detection code, why not make
sure the latter works?  Are there any situations we are inherently
incapable of detecting, and why?




  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-31 15:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-18 18:35 using libmagic in Emacs? joakim
2009-08-18 19:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-18 20:01   ` Chong Yidong
2009-08-18 20:35     ` joakim
2009-08-18 21:11       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-19  2:58         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-19  3:21           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-19 13:47             ` Chong Yidong
2009-08-19 15:57               ` joakim
2009-08-19 19:46               ` next bugfix release? [was: Re: using libmagic in Emacs?] Dan Nicolaescu
2009-08-19 21:06                 ` next bugfix release? Chong Yidong
2009-08-19 21:53                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-08-19 22:56                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-08-19 23:16                     ` Nick Roberts
2009-08-20  9:02                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-20 11:19                         ` Eric M. Ludlam
2009-08-20 15:13                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-08-20 15:47                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-19 19:05             ` installing features on trunk (was: using libmagic in Emacs?) Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-21 18:59               ` Bidi support Stefan Monnier
2009-08-21 20:44                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-22  3:39                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-22  8:18                   ` Jason Rumney
2009-08-22  5:39                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-22  7:31                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-24  1:45                   ` Kenichi Handa
2009-08-24  3:12                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-24  7:17                       ` Kenichi Handa
2009-08-24  3:25                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-19  0:57   ` using libmagic in Emacs? Juri Linkov
2009-08-20  3:42     ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-22 23:36       ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-24  0:07         ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-24  0:17           ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-24  7:33             ` joakim
2009-08-25  2:08             ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-25  2:19               ` Miles Bader
2009-08-25  5:09                 ` joakim
2009-08-25 13:27                 ` James Cloos
2009-08-25 21:41                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2009-08-25 17:36               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-25 20:37               ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-29 23:19               ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-30  3:09                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-30 20:54                   ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-31  2:49                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-31 16:17                       ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-31 17:58                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-09-01 12:16                           ` Richard Stallman
2009-09-01 16:12                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-01 21:20                               ` Richard Stallman
2009-09-03 19:42                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-04  7:52                                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-31 22:21                       ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-31  3:33                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-31 15:03                     ` Chong Yidong [this message]
2009-08-31 16:19                       ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-31 23:47                       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-01  3:16                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-09-01  5:37                           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-01 12:16                       ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-25 20:36           ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-19 22:49   ` joakim
2009-08-19 23:20     ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-08-20  1:03     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-20  3:12       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-20  4:50         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-20 18:20           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-21  0:19             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-20 18:32         ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-21 19:10           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-22  5:03             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-23  1:03               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-20 13:57     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-20 19:19       ` joakim
2009-08-20 22:08         ` Andreas Schwab
2009-08-21  9:55           ` joakim
2009-08-21 11:01             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-21 17:38               ` joakim
2009-08-21 17:46                 ` Rupert Swarbrick
2009-08-21 18:31                 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-08-21 19:13                   ` Drew Adams
2009-08-21 18:42                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-21 21:48                   ` joakim
2009-08-21 22:46                     ` Andreas Schwab
2009-08-22 20:18                       ` joakim
2009-08-22 23:13                         ` Ken Raeburn
2009-08-23 23:38                           ` joakim
2009-08-24  3:05                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-24 12:30                               ` joakim
2009-08-23  3:24                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-21 19:18               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-21 13:19             ` Andreas Schwab
2009-08-20 18:32     ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-20 20:27       ` Reiner Steib
2009-08-21 14:08         ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-21 19:16       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-28  0:27 ` Language identification (was: using libmagic in Emacs) Juri Linkov
2009-08-28  4:58   ` Language identification Stefan Monnier
2009-08-28  9:00     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-28 14:56       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-29  4:11         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-29 14:21           ` Chong Yidong
2009-08-29  0:46       ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-29  4:13         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-29 15:28           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-29 16:27             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-28 19:16     ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-29  1:12       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-30 16:01         ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-29 20:20       ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-29 22:48         ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-31  3:32           ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-31  8:42             ` David Kastrup
2009-08-31  8:59             ` Jan D.
2009-08-31  3:33           ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-28  6:45   ` Alex Ott
2009-08-28  6:46   ` Alex Ott
2009-08-28 19:08     ` Juri Linkov

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